Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

Jesus did not need to die for us so the father could forgive us. Thats absurd and it makes the trinity dysfunctional. You cant have the son and the father who are both God be of two different minds.
Jesus was the expression of our forgiveness. Everything that he did was an act of love. You are not forgiven only once you believe. faith is not your savior. You cant even have faith in something that hasnt already happened. So you have faith that you are ALREADY forgiven and you experience that forgiveness subjectively but it was always true objectively about the whole human race before anyone even realized it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd-0w06jCpw"]God's Immoral Character (The Atheist Experience) - YouTube

 

The God of the bible is also a completely righteous Judge. Forgiving sin without payment is not very righteous.

For instance, if someone killed your family and the judge allowed the killer to go free with no payment required that judge would not be a righteous judge.

 

Maybe jeebus actually fell from grace with gawd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAQZtiXfJv4"]The Pogues - If I should fall from grace with God - YouTube

 

Are they singing in Aramaic?

 

What was God's payment for his sins? Some insignificant human flesh?

Oh yeah, God doesn't play by his own rules!

Anyway, that would be about as equal to sacrificing some of your toenail clipping to a colony of ants.

All Christian sins are prepaid forever because some Jews tortured and killed the flesh of one Hehseus?

Does that lean more towards convenience or righteousness?

 

God's sins? What sins would that be?

Jesus' perfect life was not insignificant.

What rules would that be?

What in the world are you talking about?

No.

More toward Justice.

 

What what what are you talking about, God never lied or killed anyone!
Or impregnated someones wife without anyone's consent!

 

God doesn't want us to die. So 'he' was divinely conceived as Jesus, so the Bible says, and sacrificed "himself" - believing that "god" is the trinity or spirit, flesh, 'god'/'father'. This makes Christians(humans) feel special that 'god' can manifest as a human and die like a human (in suffering), and thankfully our natural tendency to fuck things up are ultimately forgiven if you confess them - which also requires that you be a Christian (Which is a weird turn of faith with what Jesus taught, and where I am no longer interested in Christian practice)

It seems convenient, but I think it is marked indication of how political dissent can cause MAJOR human history shifts. There was a LOOOT of crazy movements and dispersal of peoples around Jesus' time. Often war, class disparity and extreme poverty.

It wasn't a couple of Jews that killed him either, it was Romans, and it was at a time of a lot of persecution, and after "Jesus" died, even further and more severe persecution - which gives Jesus' life more interest obviously.

 

jesus died for his sins and not mine.

 

OWB,

God's sin would be his knowing the beginning to the end, the end from the beginning, and yet failing to foresee the downfall of humankind. I assume he did not foresee it because if he had, surely he would have aborted the creation plan immediately, knowing himself well enough to know that his penchant for justice would consume even his mercy. When a clay-master is not happy with his creation, he/she doesn't blame the clay for the flaws in the finished product. Don't you think God is as wise as someone who works clay?

As far as God not playing by his own rules, the point would be that he solved (?) the problem of his unhappiness with his own creation with violence, and then failed to punish himself for the violence. And do I really have to point out the sinister nature of a being who requires lots of pain, blood, and suffering in payment for letting anybody off the hook?

Justice is an interesting concept. Wouldn't it be more "just" for a god to not let his children inhabit a garden where a serpent is creeping about. Here on Earth, we call that negligent child abuse! Once again, this god escapes justice.

 

Jesus sacrifice was the payback for what Adam gave up in the Garden of Eden, which was his perfect life.

 

This is highly simplistic.

 

Thats the best part..why does it need to be confusing? If the bible is Gods word..would he not want us to understand? Might as well not write it all if is not to be understood.

 

So you currently have a perfect life? What does perfect mean?

 

Lied? Killed?

Lied about what?

And last time I looked into it, according to Bible, all those "killed" where going to die anyway and God will resurrect them back to life and so their "killing" was only a temporary absence of life.

Mary was not a wife at the time she became pregnant and there is no record of either Mary or Joseph objecting, in fact they seemed to consider it an honor.

 

Jesus without sin, so no, he did not die for his sins. He died for mankind's sins and so died for your sins also but if you do not want to accept his ransom sacrifice then you can die for your sins if you want.

 

This is a much debated question. As I see it, God has the ability to foresee the future just as he has the power to destroy the universe but since he has not destroyed the universe, I assume he has the ability to use as much or as little of his abilities as he chooses.

Thus when God gave mankind freewill, he also chose not to foresee what they would do, because as soon as foresaw what they would do they would no longer have freewill in the matter. So, Adam and Eve had the freewill to chose to eat the "apple" or not as they saw fit, because God did not chose to foresee what they would do.

True justice is one for one, if someone steals a gold ring from you, wouldn't justice be the return of the ring?

In the case before us; Adam, through sin, give up perfect human life, thus bringing pain, suffering and death to all his children. Thus only the giving up of a perfect human life with out sin would correct the matter. Jesus did just that, thus justice was served.

Yes, justice is an interesting concept. Justice comes from not jumping to conclusions without out having heard both sides of a matter.

Tell me, was there a "serpent" creeping about when God let his children inhabit the garden? No, in fact that "serpent" didn't even exist when God let his children inhabit the garden.

 

Yes but true none the less.

 

I guess I missed the part where she said she now has a perfect life, could you point that out to me?