Why Blame the Satan on things YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN?

The point was that Satan is used for good. Duhhhh. The entire passage is not necessary for that to be pointed out.

That's why I don't tolerate idiocy, unless it is for fun.

If you read further, does scripture not say that all things are holy? Are you saying that God created a faulty creature? Satan has divine purpose.

He can be a friend as well. Calling any of God's creations evil is just Jerry Springer bullshit. God's also the queen of queens (drama queen), if you don't know it yet.

Liar.

I trust God completely. If God puts Satan in my life, it is because it is Good for me. Isaiah 45:7: "I create the darkness and the light: I create good and evil: I, the Lord, do all these things." (king james version)

If you read the rest of the chapter (45) you might finally gain some understanding.

You guys are all meanies to Satan, saying that Satan is no Good and not part of God's plan. Well, %@#@ you. Satan is part of God's plan and is an essential part. That make's Satan Good, if you can't do the math yourself.

The stone the builder refused shall be a cornerstone.

When God tell's you something that God created is evil, God is lying. Who's the father of lies?

 

That doesn't mean that because something was used for good that it is, in essence, good. Because that would imply that the opposite is true. I thing is evil in essence because it was used for evil. It simply doesn't follow.

No. It does not say that all things are holy. It does say that only God is holy and only God is good though. Did God create a faulty creature? Well, God created a creature that had the free will to rebel. Satan HAD a divine purpose, but threw it away when he rebelled.

God's creations are not evil, but they have the PROPENSITY for evil and, having a sinful nature, we bring it out.

It is possible that God allows Satan and evil into your life, but that doesn't make them good in essence, though their presence might bring about good.
Regarding, the Isaiah passage, please try to include context and audience relevance. It is apparent that this verse is speaking in terms of natural disasters as opposed to moral evil. The Hebrew word "rah" can be translated as "affliction", "mischief", "sorrow", "calamity," etc. The context of the passage refers to natural phenomena (sun, light, darkness). It indicates that this passage refers not to moral evil, but to natural disasters and human comfort. Other passages support this interpretation (Exodus 4:11, Amos 3:6). Other passages in scripture also note that God is pure and cannot abide moral evil. As such, He cannot be a source of moral evil.

That God is the only God and that He is sovereign, yep, got it. Still not seeing how Satan is not evil.

[QUOTEYou guys are all meanies to Satan, saying that Satan is no Good and not part of God's plan. Well, %@#@ you. Satan is part of God's plan and is an essential part. That make's Satan Good, if you can't do the math yourself.[/QUOTE]
Really? At what point in God's original plan or the redemptive plan of mankind is Satan's existence essential? It isn't. As such, Satan isn't necessarily a part of the plan, he is simply a bystander that needs compensating for. Just because something is a part of a good plan doesn't mean that it is, in essence, good. The assumption you are making is non sequitur.

Satan. But just because something is created pure doesn't mean that it is immune to corruption. You seem to assume that corruption is impossible if something is good. I don't believe that is true. Something that is created good and with free will has the ability to ruin that goodness and become evil. This view is supported by Scripture and by our everyday exerience.

 

Hmm, so you can have a good hammer or a bad hammer. One that works as it is supposed to (the good hammer) and one that the head keeps falling off of. When something does not work the way a person designs it, the person calls it 'bad'. However, since God designed everything perfectly, everything does exactly what God intends it to do. Everything is Good. Only man, when he judges the hammer as bad, is wrong, because the hammer being 'bad' is part of God's plan (so is the man's error in judgement that the hammer is 'bad'). IF the hammer is used to murder someone, man would call it bad. However, it is part of God's divine plan for it to occur, therefore, in God's mind, it is good (the judgement of evil just being another error that man has made because he was created to make 'errors').

It doesn't follow that anything God does or creates is bad (evil).

Ive gotta go, get back to this l8r... I might need to edit it too .

 

I remember a passage about that, but could not find it. Please read romans 8:28 though.

Wrong. God created Satan to rebel. Satan would not have rebelled otherwise. Satan has fulfilled Satan's divine purpose.

Don't you understand that you can do nothing except what God creates you to do? You will sin if you are created to sin, you will be pure if you are created to be pure. God is perfect, and all creations of God fit perfectly into God's plan. Even people (like you) who do not understand this extremely simple fact.

So something that is good for you is not good? I call things that are good for me "good" (everything God' has given me and taught me, even the concept 'evil').

Umm, they support mine. "When trouble comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it?" "Then the lord said to him "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes a man not able to see or hear? Is it not I, the Lord?""
Do you think that man's thoughts are not created by the Lord as well?

That's all right. There is nothing wrong with lying about Satan. God does, so why don't you go ahead and keep on doing it.

We wouldn't be talking about Satan if it was not part of God's plan that we talk about Satan. It's that simple. Maybe Satan doesn't exist, you know God lies sometimes- I mean, saying a creature rebelled against God is the equivalent of saying God made a mistake, which didn't happen.

It think it is logical to assume that anything that is essential to good coming about is considered good. It is also logical to assume that God wouldn't do anything without a reason (including introducing the idea of Satan).

God can cause something to become corrupt, but would only do so if it was good to do so.

Totally illogical. If something is good, it would not choose to become evil. Unless, of course, the good thing knew that by becoming evil, it would cause greater good to arise. This would be a case of reverse machiavellianism- something good decides to appear evil in order to bring about a greater good for everything in existence. In essence, a good being, lying about its nature in order to appear evil, causing good by doing so.

 

Please don't tell me you honistly believe this? If you do, then you're off the scale...

You're telling me that I'm sat here right now, trying this message, because god laid out this plan for me? bollocks, utter bollocks.

If this is true, then god truly is an asshole... we could all be living in utopia, sipping tea and chatting about the weather.. but no..

If what you're saying is true, then it's god's fault adam ate the apple, because god programmed him to do so. It's also god's fault that cane/kane/cain (whoever you spell it) killed his brother, etc..

I'm sorry, but no... Life is meaningless, it's up to us to give it meaning.. and to create our own destiny...

 

i aprtly agree with ya amanda......i dont see how this guy can believe that we were a;ll created to sin,god does not create us as robots.however, yes he has a plan for you a destiny and a purpose for each and every one of us!but the great thing is that we have free will,he lets us make the desisions,so you see it is possible for us to do things that god doesnt want us to do,because we chose to,this is the permisive will of god,something which is not as good as the plans he has fro you,but he still loves you because of who you are.

god does not control anybodies life with pupet strings

 

You all have wonderful attitudes, very loving.

I know that the bible says the number of days in our lives is recorded long before we are born. If we do have freewill, and that is true, God must know what we are going to choose. I wondered if this was how it was possible for my precognitive dreams to be possible. It is not my favorite explanation, though.
I feel that blaming God or Satan for our errors is a copout.
I also feel that I should pay for my own sins, and not put them onto anyone else's shoulders, ie: Jesus.

 

that is a very lovely attitude you have,but im afraid no man is righeous in the eyes fo god exept through jesus,nothing you can do can make you richeous apart from exept christ,if man could free himslef for sin,there would be no need for jesus,jesus is the only way.is says in the bible all humanity have fallen short of the grace of god,but through the life death and ressurection of christ we are set free if we believe.

 

while you may have a good attitude, and goodwill at heart, i still find what you say to be very usual ignorance. "no man is righeous in the eyes fo god exept through jesus", its sentences like this that make me hate christianity.

 

not ignorance my friend,but knowing the truth,and when you have the truth you keep hold of it and defend it!
ive not believed this fro many years of my life,it was not the bible that made me understand this but learning from god.

nobody in this world is sinless,apart from jesus,sin is what seperates us from god,therfore if we had not had jesus we would all be seperate from him still,he still loved us,but the unity would not be there,because sin ruined what we had with god

 

blatantly stating that something is truth without unconclusive proof is blatant ignorance. its the "we're right, you're wrong" mentality that engulfs the majority of christianity that makes it so unappealing. its complete ignorance and selfrighteousness. its faith, not fact. you believe jesus is the only way, you believe in your beliefs, theres nothing wrong with that. but that doesnt make them fact.

 

without faith you will not find the truth!
christinaity is not selfrigheousness,far from that,righeous only through jesus.
christianity is not boasting about how perfect we are but lifting our hands up and admiting our mistakes and surendering to jesus,letting him make us righeous in the sight of god!
christianity is not ignorance,its standing strong,too many times i ahve seen christians dilute theyre faith and settle fro compramise because the world around us is changing......that in my opinion is hypocritical,god is the same god that he ever was,can do the same things,hral the same things,make the same miracles,there is no limitations to what god can do.

at the same time though we haveto be relevant to people around us,christinaity is not about being stuck in a time warp and listenig to all the old hyms and doing the same thing,its about being relevant to the world today,jesus is just as contravertial as he ever was 2000 years ago!some christinas need to liven up and get excited about the fact that they have freedom in christ,he set you free thats a reason to mosh in church and go crazy with the holy spirit!

im sorry if you ever think i am arrogant but i believe that it is more of a criom to make my voice silent and not speak the words that are on my heart with all boldness

 

Hmm, there is a scale in the other room, but currently you are correct.

You ever read a good book and wonder how the author tied everything together in such an amazing way? Look at life as a book.

I have said that God is an asshole. Generally I say this when God pisses me off. You know why life has to be this way, even if you don't admit it.

Of course everything is God's fault. Only asshole's and morons try to blame a person for their actions. Even in a completely scientific community, to blame a person, the product of their environment/genetics, for their actions is sheer idiocy.

Good luck. You are silly. Do you really see yourself as above and removed from the whole? Or do you see the truth, that you are part of and a product of the whole?

 

1- ignoring the fact that science could be the answer, and ultimately religion could possibly be nothing but stories. nothing can prove religion to be the ultimate truth, and if there was then whats to say the truth is christian

2- of course, christianity is not ignorance, but one can easily be ignorant in regards to it.

3- if god is the same as he ever was, why arent you jewish.. if to compromise and change is hypocritical, why change because of jesus.

 

The truth defends itself without the help of man or beast. The truth needs no defender, for it will always be itself. Only a liar would claim that the truth needs to be defended, and lies are riddled with faults, ready to be blown away by the slightest wind.

 

i defend my beliefs,because too many people these days thinks its ok to compramise them!

 

Scopolamine-

Do your ideas change and adapt? Can they not be added to and modified? This indicates your method of thought. This does not mean that God thinks the same way as man. Otherwise, we would live on a giant breast with beer flowing from the nipple.

 

hahahaha!!!!!
that was funny!
god never changes,wen everything else falls apart and goes upside down,god is the solid rock in which we can stand

 

if he never changes, then why is it his holy word was changed?..

 

it never did!
his wrd will always remain the same!
the language may have changed,by the bible never did!