Why become a Vegetarian?

Plants certainly respond the their environment in complex ways, but this is not sentience or 'awareness'. Plants lack a nervous system and a brain. "Secret Life" is new age pseudoscience.

 

To farm plants you need to kill rape and destroy a eco system.

What about all the animals and life that the farmer has displaced and killed?

Don’t they all have a nervous system and a brain?

 

Indeed they do, but to farm animals you need to do the same thing on a larger scale in order to provide feed for the animals which you then kill. If we are talking about minimising the amount of harm and suffering we cause to sentient beings, which we are, then not eating meat is very clearly the least harmful option.

This is rather a facile point.

 

I was a vegetarian for about 7 months and I started eating meat again last month. I started because raising livestock is far more inefficient than growing crops and it felt wrong to me that I was supporting something wasteful while people were still starving.

But I can't not eat meat. I was constantly hungry no matter how much I ate. I would gorge on all manner of veggie foods but then two hours later I would need to eat again. It sucked.

 

That is a generalization..

People in Northern climates can share environments and graze animals with much less destruction then to try import food crops all year.

When you have a 4 mouth growing season and you are eating piles and piles of green stuff all year with Asian rice, you are eating from tropical clear cuts and them shipping the food around the globe with oil..

Unless you are living on a tropical farm or canning food to last all year you are just another mass-market consumer vegetarian.
Which is no better then any other mass market consumer.

That is like saying you are better then everyone because you drive a more expensive Subaru and they drive a SUV.

99% of vegetarians lifestyle is totally dependant on CHEAP OIL.. and Global markets..

A complete shallow consumerism lifestyle nothing at all pure and special about just nice packaging and ego boosting consumer marketing.

 

hell let's just eat people if it's all the same. where do you guys live?

 

your insane/uneducated if you think meat eating is efficient... read my previous post about autointoxification to understand why you weren't getting full.

 

The point is about minimising suffering to sentient creatures, this may be true but it's totally irrelevant to this discussion...

I don't think anyone has said they are "better" than anyone else. Chip on shoulder?:smilielol5:

 

Yeah.. My point is it’s NOT always better for “sentient creatures” to eat vegetarian.

If a vegetarian eats a package of tofu that was grown in an Amazon clearcut (yes Millions of acres a year are clear cut in the Amazon to grow soybeans for human consumption) then shipped to Europe with gas from Iraq.
How is that less suffering then eating a box of chicken eggs that were produced a few miles away?

The fact that you guys think your bodies have less toxins and you create less suffering makes it seem like you think that you are living a better life then the average consumer.

 

An unfertilised egg is not a creature and certainly not a sentient one. The issue under discussion is the killing of sentient creatures for food.

Consumerism is as I said a quite separate issue, you could be an ethical vegetarian or an unethical one. I'm sure some vegetarians think they are better than non-vegetarians, but then some meat eaters think they are better than vegetarians. In short, there are lots of total pricks in the world no matter what lifestyle choices they make. But all of this is utterly irrelevant to the issue...

 

you know the people of the amazon have many miracle herbs/plants/saps which clean the system... u can buy herbal extracts that clean ur intestines of crud that could be sittin from the meats as u say... it'll help in digestion.

i have some its called Fiberzon, combines cleansing fibers with medicinal rainforest herbs to offer potent digestive health. it helps break down the foods and absorbs the goods. you guys should check this stuff out.

i would love to see someone chew there salad like a cow, side to side. i'd laugh.

and just because we have canines doesn't mean we have to hunt with them. thats why we hunted with tools we made with our nicely designed hands. also it is possible for peoples to live on raw meat diets, just ask the eskimos who have been doing it for centuries.

off-topic notes: white bread can clog arteries and increases the risk of heart disease. the flour used to make white bread is chemically bleached, just like you bleach your clothes. So when you are eating white bread, you are also eating residual chemical bleach.

 

heres an article/review on it: www.naturalnews.com/006638.html

 

Let me say this. I was a vegetarian for two years but eat meat now.

My diet remained mostly the same during and after being a veggie. An abundance of fruits, lots of veggies, grains a plenty, bread, cheese. 95% cooked at my place. Only difference now is I have again added meat a few times a week and I feel much healthier actually post veggie, much more alive. But it is organic free range meat. Personally I would not go veggie again, I feel better now that I am not. Despite being a very healthy veggie (again, veggies and fruits at the forefront with grains, bread and cheese as well) I simply felt sluggish. I think some bodies need meat more than others.

 

oh, im not saying we cannot survive on or digest meat. i am not saying that no animal should ever be killed, or that meat doesn't have it's properties. warriors can hunt, and eat it to increase their fighting spirit, and help keep the animal populations in check. but animals should be protected from unnecessary suffering. people have been thriving on vegetarian diets for thousands and thousands of years.

that fiber stuff you are talking about is like offering a candle to the sun, if you really want to cleanse your intestines you need something like rise and shine or ejuva, raw veg diet, and plenty of preparation in the form of liver, kidney, and gallbladder cleansing. gotta get the mucoid plaque out (google image search at your own risk)

if you eat at the rainbow gathering you are probably eating residual bleach. did you know they soak chickens in bleach to kill the salmonella? only it doesn't kill it really...

and everyone moves their jaw from side to side when they eat btw.

 

In my earlier vegetarian days (back in the 'good ol days'-the old hippy days) I was a vegetarian for a few years, and a lot of times I felt sluggish, low on energy, too. But the fact is that I wasn't really careful enough about getting enough protein at most of my meals-sometimes I did, sometimes I didn't. And I think that having a good protein source is essential for maintaining your energy level if you're a vegetarian.

Now, I'm real careful to make sure that I get plenty of protein in at least 2 out of 3 meals in a day, plus I take pretty high potency multiple vitamins (plus CO Q-10), which help enormously with keeping up my energy level.

I always make sure I'm getting a pretty good portion of cheese, eggs, peanut butter, tofu, fish (I eat fish fairly often, as do a number of people I know that also consider themselves vegetarian). Anyway, I've been vegetarian again for about 4-5 years, and I have a lot more energy now than I did when I was a vegetarian when I was a lot younger, mainly because I'm being a lot more careful to get the right amount of protein and I always take good multi-vitamins every day. I really think anyone can have plenty of energy as a veg if they just do it right.

 

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double post :hat: eh.

 

yeah... they have started making claims about mucoid plaque on different products these days. maybe in combination with a raw food diet this stuff won't stop the plaque from coming out, but it's not ejuva. will not do anything* to remove this plaque or reverse the negative aspects of meat.

*anything worth mentioning anyways.

 

how about a reason you shouldn't become a vegetarian.. but i guess you're all smarter than the collective minds of a large panel of scientists..

http://www.asylum.com/2008/09/15/a-vegertarian-diet-shrinks-the-brain/

 

oh yes, because there are no vegetarian scientists...

the doctors were telling vegetarian women their babies would DIE back when i was born (83')

i bet that aristotle, socrates, ghandi, einstien, nikola tesla, etc. would disagree with that study. granted i only read the title