Why aren't more atheists and agnostics anarchists as well?

Not in America that's for sure.

We're lucky if Hillary Clinton makes it into office, because this country is so right wing and dependent upon structure, civilization and the Republican way.

So no, I don't think that anarchy has a chance. Not in my lifetime anyway.

 

By the way shane, if you'd review my earlier posts, I did imply that I, personally am not opposed to the idea of living in anarchy...but I think it's a stupid idea for the general majority of the rest of the world. Anarchy might be suitable for me, but its not for everyone.

 

Really? What about the people in Mexico, and the Mexicans who are here? What about the gangs? What about the poor?! Something has to give sooner or later, I dont know what people really perfer as a mass concious deep down, control or freedom? The day that question is answered, is the day I decide I either hit the streets or hang up.

 

I did have an answer, but it obviously wasn't good enough for you.

 

Who said anything about "telling the world to switch to anarchy"?

and anarchy is not structureless.

And you think being an atheist or not being a theist does not affect other or that being an anarchist does so too much?

You seem to have a lot to learn about both anarchism and atheism.

my apologizes, i assumed that if you were responding to my questions then you would be at least a little knowledgable about the subjects.

http://infoshop.org/faq/secAcon.html

So now, if you could let me converse with those who know something about atheism and anarchism (either one) i would appreciate it, thank you.

 

Most people don't know how to live without control.
Which is why a lot of people like the idea of control, and government... it gives them a sense of safety, and a sense of organization. It may be a false sense at that, but good luck trying to get people that rely on that sense of safety and organization to think otherwise.

And by the way, if you're misinterpreting my words to believe that I agree with control/government/civilization, I'm sorry... that is not what I meant. I am simply saying that what I might think, does not apply for the rest of the world. I know that we have a long way to go before more people think the way you and I do, and learn to accept freedom and peace.

 

And the way to do is by keeping you beliefs to yourself?

How much is that going to change things for the better?

 

Oh no, I know what your about Just for the sake of argument thats all :tongue:
But Im just saying, baby boomers are on the way out, the future is hard to grasp, will people want reform when they cant afford to heat their homes? Or when ever "middle class" mom has a son doing time for Marijuana possesion? It's hard to tell, read into all you want, but it will take
a very big breaking point to know whats in the hearts of the men and woman of this country, and a REALLY big one to get them out of their homes to make a change. And Im SURE one is on it's way soon

 

Me being an atheist doesn't affect ANYONE if I don't announce it. Why should it, or would it?
Who the hell is going to be offended if they don't know I don't agree with their religious beliefs?

By the way, someone here is arrogant.

 

Because I'm not trying to change anyone.
People will change for themselves.

Do I agree with the way most of the world works? No, but that's for them to reflect upon and decide if they want to change. If I try to cram what I think down someones throat, how does that make me any better than someone like President Bush?

 

It's inspiring to see how much hope you have, and I really admire that.
I'm not saying I don't...I just don't know is all, and I don't want to come to any quick conclusions. It's hard for me to say.

It's hard for me to say when my parents went through Vietnam and the hippie era, and later in life, mutated into strict republicans, completley forgetting what they learned in the past about love and peace. That's why, I have trouble forseeing anything in the future...what if our generation, just ends up like that all over again?

 

Well, someone has to take a stand for reform or it will never happen. All you need to utilize is the abilities of every group who feels the need for change, unite these abilities, and form a universal opinion. Easier said than done, sure, but if no one tries then we ALL lose.

 

BTW, just to go on record here, I am neither Atheist, nor Agnostic, nor Anarchist. I am Muslim, and I am one who does not believe in any government where the people are trampled upon. But I do not bring my personl beliefs into play when it comes to reform, I believe in a united resistance. Ok, back on topic Relayer!

 

Yeah, you when you posted this crap:

The overwhelming majority of Anarchists are also Atheists.
It's not absurd to then ask why Atheists are not overwhelmingly Anarchists.
Yes, i'm aware that one doesnt automatically lead to the other, most commies are atheists as well, that's not the point.

And if you don't like the thread topic then don't waste anyone's time by posting in that thread.

I usually get along with you, but in this thread you're being an ass.

The question wasn't directed at you personally and i'm interested in in what others have to say about anarchism and atheism, if you have nothing to contribute other than "i answered you, now drop it, it's a stupid question anyway, anarchy will never work...", then bug off, i havent the time or patience for assholery.

Why do you fuckers always want to turn what starts as an honest open question into an arguement with shit like "anarchism is for vaginas" and "not all atheists have to be anarchists"

The title isnt "All atheists should be anarchists", or "if youre not an anarchist i hate you"...

shit man, i could post this same question in any other forum(other than xtianity) and wouldn't get some much shit for it.

fuckers

 

Nevermind the question.

Topic Question answered, thread finished.

have a good day, i've got other shit to do.

 

Haha CHILL.

I never said I didnt like the thread topic... and I wasn't trying to answer for everyone, I was just observing what everyone else was saying, and you still seemed unsatisfied with the answer, is all.

And all I was trying to point out was that even IF anarchy and atheism somehow connect, it would be difficult for any atheists to answer the question relating the two... I mean, okay, if I think the two are connected, but I still dont believe in anarchy, how am I going to justify that one is right and the other is not...and if I dont think the two are connected, how am I going to prove that to you, when you've given ample reason to why you believe they are?

Orrr am I completely misunderstanding the entire discussion? Because if I am, you can feel free to explain it to me...

I do see that youre saying a lot of anarchists are atheists, but not vice versa, am I right? And no, I couldn't really give you reason as to why that is... except that I myself dont think the two are mutually exclusive to each other.

I'm really NOT trying to irritate you...
I guess I just do not see the correlation, the way you do. Yes, I do see some similarities between the two concepts... but not to the extent you do. And I'm not trying to bash you for it... I'm just having a hard time seeing it your way.

And what I was trying to say about anarchy vs. atheism and the affect it has on others is well... I can easily make decisions for myself (i.e. my non-religious beliefs/non-beliefs) but I don't like think too much about the way the government should be, or shouldn't be, because when attempting to do so, I feel an enormous amount of pressure.... what would others think, how would it affect them, what might happen if this or that was allowed or disallowed...My point there is... if someone wants to ask me, what form of government, or non-government for that matter, I think is best... I cringe, because I don't have an answer for that. I don't know whats best for everyone else, and I dont want to assume... does that make sense? I am not explaining it, the way I'd like to... because I'm not always that great with words...

 

Not to sound really dumb, but why are you assuming non-believers don't believe in authority or law and order?

Are you really suggesting that it is ONLY God can make laws? Or do you think it's possible that articulate, inteligent, sensible adults are capable of imposing sensible limits on behavior?

If you think that authority comes through God, are you suggesting that the God of a Southern Baptist is going to encourage those Southern Baptists to have the same authority as a Catholic God would produce in Catholics?

If you don't believe "Catholic Authority" is the same as "Southern Baptist Authority" why should Catholics accept what Southern Baptists in authority say (and vice versa given the make up of the Supreme Court)? Thinking logically, no one of any religious denomination gets exactly what they want. So why sould atheists be any more likely to pout than Methodists, Baptists, Episcopals, Catholics, Jews or Muslims?

On an unrelated note, atheists are brought up inside a religious society if they live in America, so why wouldn't they buy into what a religious society imposes on them?