Why are no Bible quotes allowed? Makes no sense to me.

well the skip sayd:

its ok to say this as your personal opinion but if its in the same topic with the rules then its obvious that the motive of that rules is your anti-christian faith.
so in other words. in this category you are free to say bad things about christianity but not to support christianity it self.

 

I fail to understand how you can interpret this this as a limitation on your free speech.

If there is a passage in scripture that you want people to read, it is easier to say, "Please read ___enter_reference____ ." than it is to type a long passage.

Om Muni Muni Mahāmuni Śākyamuni Svāhā​

 

Christianity has a long and horror filled history of repression of free speech, banning of books and intellectual and scientific thought, burning of witches, and intolerance of non-Christian ways.

The problem is that there is a personal opinion in the rules. so the basis of this rules is skips personal opinions

 

This doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter whether or not you're christian, the bible should be used as a point of reference.

Funny how you mention the banning of books in a given religion, from a site that banned one of the most popular books in the world. you are right, back in the day, just as today, many ultra conservative christians totally fucked up any sense of what christianity really is... So rather than discussing it, the book which references many positive aspects of the religion and many other religions branched off from it are banned? hmmm...

So you're already assuming that it'll lead to this? I thought free speach was glorified on this site. Seems like you're putting a whole lot of people on the same boat by treating all of them differently than the rest. Why not handle the individual rather than the book?

haha... Again, you're talking about the great power of free speech, on a site than can easily talk about drugs, sex, alcohol, and anything else that comes up on anyone's mind, but oddly enough, if bible references are mentioned, it's a big no no. Kinda ironic, to say the least.

Rather than restricting a book, which indirectly makes all christians look like a bunch of whacos, why not do what true people who believe in "free speech and equality" do, and let people defend their views?

and the "you don't like it, leave" is a given... And you're right... Just don't claim to be all free spirited and fair, when you can't quote one of the most respected books ever made, regardless if you think it's art, truth, or plain rubbish. It would make more sense to remove the christianity forum all together than to block the one thing that christians base the foundation of their religion on .

Not all christians are "bad"...


I don't even consider myself a "christian" but this really doesn't make sense.

 

Your freedom of speech is not being restricted in any way .... read and understand the above quote .... written by one who treasures his freedom of expression.

Well said Mr. Erebus, but it is not only the Christians who carry this guilt; it is all of the followers of the God of the Western Desert ..... Jews, Christians, and Muslims. They leave behind a trail of blood and death.

The followers of this hate filled god are so addicted to their barbarism that the killing of outsiders isn't enough .... look at two millennia of their internecine fighting .... look at the middle-east of the 21st century.



Have fun, play safely, and don’t play with fire!

 

Therefore, I shall recopy your well derived phrase:

'If there is a passage in scripture that you want people to read, it is easier to say, "People _read _enter reference." than it is to type a long passage.'

I question the term, 'easier': some find it easier to regard the world of environmental efficiency to include the distinction in sessions as the means of communication, or maybe I'm getting to be a bit better at typing again. The means of communication: does it have a seperate ideal world from the from the means of body-soul ekstatic reaction and action?

I don't believe that you think it DOES. But books at least are to be withdrawn form the shelf as if they were also a part of Nature.

 

You wouldn't discuss a book with quoting from it would you?

 

Congratulations ..... 97 words and you managed to not reveal one single intelligible thought.

You even resorted to posting a fake quote, so I will accurately repost it here.

Have fun, play safely, and don’t play with fire!

 

I would just like to say I can understand why no scripture... due to clutter and people posting really long scriptures

BUT you need only put rules in place. Like no more than 3 verses or passages per post etc.

OR you should open another forum that allows it if it bothers you that much... because you are practicing what is called censorship
NOT free speech.... the very definition of free speech means to allow all dialogue about a topic, person, place, or thing as long as it is not slanderous or rude... you guys are talking about it like this because scripture disagrees with your opinions??? that is what debate and open discussion is all about! Challenging the views and opinions of each other to further educate not to piss people off and make a bunch a whiny babies of you guys.

Also, you are asking people to "defend/reference" a topic without using its manual... that's like saying define a word with out using the exact definitions from a dictionary. No Christian can be held to be speaking truth without allowing them to quote the manual to their belief i.e. the Bible. If you didn't they could just make everything up... or mislead and lie about everything.

If not allowing this was true free speech than all free speech should not contain any references to any text books/guides/manuals/biographies etc. pertaining to the topic being spoken about...

I understand both sides I just agree with the scripture side as being true free speech.

 

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You, and others like you, try to obscure the problem with your straw man arguments and by indiscriminately tossing out red herrings, so there is no point in trying to have an intelligent discussion with you. STFU and follow the rules or go elsewhere!

If the only tools that you have to represent your blind beliefs are quotations from some fictional scriptures, then it would be in your own self interests to escape from this hate-filled god of the Western Desert and seek more loving guidance.

Om Tare
Tuttare Ture
Svāhā​

__________________

Sheryl
Soft and tender, tough and hard ....
Never touched a razor ....
I shall love her always!​

 

That had no valid reference... or application to the topic at hand I am sorry I was lost after the second line of what you wrote... it just sounds like your're mad... if want to communicate try not sounding so negative.

Seriously I am not a Christian I was just saying that you guys are wrong to not allow the only thing that has even created the entire religion of Christianity. It seriously is like trying to talk about the English language without referencing anything that has been validly wrote about it.

It makes no argumentative sense and any one who wants to actually give me a good reason on why I am wrong instead of just spitting out hate and malice... I AM ALL EARS

If you can actually dispute why this is not the largest most blatant mistake in all debating/discussion I have ever publicly seen.... I AM ALL EARS

PS WTF is a straw man argument....? Just because I am intelligent and think objectively doesn't mean I am being "Strong" I think you meant to say....

 

It's not my job to educate dummies ... but in your case I'll make an exception this one time. I'll explain it slowly and using small words.

Go to Google.com.
Enter "straw man argument" into the search box.
Click the Google Search button.
Get somebody to explain their explanation to you.

This won't help you to understand what I was saying, but in the future you won't have to admit to this gaping hole in your education.

 

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OK since I must not have typed it clearly enough.... the FIRST F'N time..... I might not have known what ever stupid pun/sang you used but the only thing I will say again is..... Do not slander/belittle/hate/speak negatively against with wording/ be a total idiot/ sound so negative most people will turn their own ears off/ talk like your a bad ass/ just speak in general/push your fingers against the keys/or use your brain at all if you think in some small case there might be a chance that you are going to come off like a negative ass hole.... it will only end in you being ignored... in fact because I used a little too much of a negative tone most people that are reading probably have stopped reading my post.... just stop dude you've lost all credibility in the fact that you are pointing out a small aspect of my argument which is the #1 bitch way out of a debate....

 

roundrhombus - -
I'll not respond to any more of your educationally handicapped rants. My Mom taught be to give the emotionally erratic a wide berth, and so I shall with you.

You may have the last word, if it gives you pleasure.



A big wet sloppy Troll kiss on your pink little rosebud lips!

 

I just can't escape as an engineer. Makes me selfish, doesn't IT?

Should have read Wittgenstein, and learned the meticulous language? Makes me, discriminating over honesty.

I didn't know how to clean the italics; thought the good will could come through, but God died on the computer.

 

Sorry troll you win....

 

I don't violated any rules.
I just tell my opinion about them.
i follow them but i find them weird.
you are not going to jail because you don't agree with the law. you going if you break the law. there is a difference.

 

What I find amazing is that the picture in your sig. seems to represent someone who is free spirited, open to new ideas, willing to discuss... you don't seem like the type of person who would so easily generalize and label every christian by just trashing the religion as a whole.

What's worse is that you have a very specific view of the bible. Seems so narrow minded.

you're just a contradiction of what you claim to represent.


Ask an ultra conservative christian anything that merely goes against their beliefs, and they'll shut you down, they'll make fun of you, they won't listen, they'll think you're looney and misguided... Sad thing is, you're doing the exact same thing, on the other extreme.

And your response is "stfu and follow the rules"? I'd expect that from a 15 year old.... not from someone who seems like he's been around like yourself. ...

 

At last .... a rational response! Thanks Clegg.

I do not think that religious debate should be shut down. It is my opinion the quoting of scriptures effectively shuts down any debate. If I have to search for new ideas hidden in between scriptural quotations, then I just don’t bother to read anything. Thus the communication has been shut down. If an argument is presented with pointers to supporting scripture, then I’ll read and consider the argument, and may even read the scriptural reference. The forum rule prohibiting scriptural quotation is meant to improve communication ….. which is a key element of free speech.

You seem to have read things that I didn’t write. I do not judge nor condemn any individual followers of the god of the Western Desert, but I most definitely think that over the past couple of millennia the three main religions that worship this god (Jews, Christians, Muslims) have a history of horrific violence against non-believers, and when this doesn’t satisfy their blood lust, then they fight among themselves as is happening in the middle-east as we speak.

I also have no problem with anybody reading any of the scriptures of these religions. I do have a problem with people cluttering these forums with quotations from these scriptures. I do have copies of the old and new testaments, the Qur’an, and the Tanakh …. and do refer to them when needed.

I am not a contradiction. I have an open mind to all ideas. Having an open mind does not correlate with not forming conclusions. There is little reason to listen to and ponder new ideas if one is not prepared to allow those ideas to alter my thinking.

As for my saying, “STFU and follow the rules,” it was (and is) my opinion that a higher level instruction would not have been understood.