Why are Christians such homophobes?

not really, that whole mote and beam thing still says to me, how can you judge your brother, you hypocrite, when you got troubles of your own. hence, judge not lest ye be judged.

 

You know.. I shouldnt talk on the phone while trying to type .. more later

 

I am going to agree with Brocktoon to a certain extent. When it comes to these certain verses in the Bible, there are different situations in which judgement must be possible. For example, if someone is doing something that is potentially harmful to themselves or another, then of course, you must do what is beneficial to all parties and get involved. Obviously, to sit back and not judge, could result in dangerous aftermaths. When Jesus said not to judge he means, you cannot call another person a sinner, because you yourself sin as well. No one is exempt from sin.

 

The Bible is vague on these issues on purpose. It gives the reader a chance to think about what and what isn't considered a sin. In this case, homosexuality is considered a sin.

Not all Christians are homophobes. I don't hate gays nor am I scared of them. I just oppose their lifestyle, that's all. Nothing wrong with having an opinion like that. A former co-worker of mine is gay and we occasionally had lunch together. Now he works in a different department and I hardly see him. He's a heckuva nice guy but he's a little weird sometimes LOL.

 

The Bible is vague on nothing. If one takes the time to study it and less time hearing about it they will know this.

Homophobe is another word for fear of homosexuality. In order for one to fear anything, they first need to experience it. After all no one fears height untill they have been to a height that they have never experienced before. So the term "homophobe" applies only to those who have experienced homosexuality in some way. Think on this: If you are a female who is disgusted by the thought of oral or anal sex, then who should dictate that you should accept it? Your boyfriend, your lover, your friends, your SOCIETY? Why should any person accept anything they themselves perceive to be wrong? Basically, Christians are this way. We perceive, by our religious teachings and an inner knowledge, that gay is wrong. Plain and simple who has the authority to dictate that we are wrong for beliving as we do?

Would someone at this IP(80.71.72.255 in the Netherlands) please quit attacking my computer?

 

hahah thats awesome someone is attacking your computer, you must feel pretty lonely out on your compound with all the world against you besides your over affectionate father.

 

Christians want to see everyone go to heaven. The Bible teaches us that whoever practices homosexual acts will not get into heaven. Its not natural. I do not hate anyone. I would love to see everyone come to Jesus Christ. You have to stop living for sin and start living for him.

 

Not at all. Your mother keeps me and my deceased, "over affectioanate father", very good company. She does say to let you know that you and your "overly affectionate father" aren't missed.

We can debate intelligently, or we can set up an entire thread to childishly insult each other. Which do you prefer?

From Sera

If you will take the time to read the passages prior to John 8:7 then you will see that the scribes and Pharisees were trying to trick Jesus. At the end of that chapter, John 8:59, the same jews tried to stone Jesus. And, if you will consider for a moment, He was not speaking to all of man kind but a group of men in John 8:7.

Romans 1:25-32.
Here God condemns homosexuals and others.

 

LOL I guess the fact that you "occassionally" lunched with a gay person, entitles you to judge their lifestyle..... Is your lunching with gays supposed to make you an expert on their lifestyle? Or make you empathetic to their social situation (i.e. excluded from equal rights under the law).

Ha ha! You and Warrior should hook up. I'm sure you would both raise some awesome neo-nazi babies!

 

Quote: We can debate intelligently, or we can set up an entire thread to childishly insult each other. Which do you prefer?


There is no debating intelligently with a neo-nazi, christian holocaust denier. I wish all the worst for you, and as long as you aren't banned, I'm gonna flame your sorry ass every chance I get.

I wish the worst to you, I really do. You are truly hideous in your mind, and probably elsewhere. Seriously, fuck off and I'll be happy.

Reading these make me glad Ileft southern California, the shittiest most decadent area of the country and crawling with christian fanatics, what a hideous combination.

 

I fully support the right of all people to have "civil rights". I do not consider marriage to be a "civil right". As a Christian, I view marriage as a relgious tradition and commitment sanctified by God. I am against gays adopting on the grounds that I personally and religiously belive that it is immoral to indoctrinate children into a "life style" that is anti-God. I support gays being in the military. I believe that everyone has a responsibility to thier country and service in the military is one way to live up to that responsibility.





"Truth is called Hate by those who Hate the Truth," --- Edgar Steele, Esquire

 

anti-
prefix

1. a. Opposite: antimere.
b. Opposing; against: antiapartheid.
c. Counteracting; neutralizing: antacid.
d. Destroying: antiaircraft.

2. a. Inverse: antilogarithm.
b. Displaying opposite characteristics: antihero.





How is homosexuality anti-God?
I do not see how homosexuality is the opposite of God, opposes God, counteracts God, destroys God, is the inverse of God, or displays opposite characteristics of God.


Namaste,

Diana

 

I believe that question has been answered several times here.

 

I have gone through and read most of the posts but homosexuality does not seem to be anti-God. People have quoted from the Bible, and spoke from what they know, but I have seen you use the phrase anti-God a few times, and I would like to know what you mean by that. For example, not respecting ones mother and father is considered a sin according to the fourth commandment. However, :H one would not say that one who is not respecting their parents is "anti-God". I am simply curious by what you mean.

I know you have said that you are not homophobic-meaning you don't have a fear of homosexuals. However, when going over the posts I saw this paragraph and found it very interesting. You mention how you're denying homosexuals the right to do all these things simply because according to you they are sinning by having sexual intercourse with others of their gender. These acts of denying seem to show pure fear. I can't really understand. If you do not fear homosexuals why is it so important that they been denied all these things if according to your beliefs they will be judged by God and given their punishment anyway?



Namaste,

Diana

 

I am sorry to say this, but in my opinion, Warrior is not representing Jesus here. To me it seems he is representing a harsh opinion. Definatly not that of a true Christian.

 

SO you are trying to tell me that what Jesus meant was: "Since you are trying to trick Jesus you shouldn't cast stones, but if you aren't trying to trick Jesus at all you can throw all the stones you want." ....??


Fact of the matter is, Jesus said, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

It's pretty obvious what he meant.

 

Quote: I am sorry to say this, but in my opinion, Warrior is not representing Jesus here. To me it seems he is representing a harsh opinion. Definatly not that of a true Christian.

For once i agree with you, being a christian does not mix with being a nazi. Warrior has probably beaten minorities and likely gays too, I don't think that coincides with it either.

 

Simply put, "anti-God" is any thing that is against Gods words. Homosexuality is against Gods words.

Homosexuality is something that is denied by God - they are refused access to heaven, therefore they are also denied access to my home and my life.

At 15 I am sure you are very well educated in the science of psychology and capable of analysing me as a homophobe. Why do you insist that I am afraid of gays simply because I chose to keep them out of my life. I also refuse access to my life by murderers, pedophiles, and many others. Yet, strangely I do not fear those people either. I simply know that they are not condusive to a happy life for me and mine.

From Sera:

Is this your attempt to trick me? I have already given you an answer.

Again, Jesus was speaking to the ones who were threatening the woman. It was a statement made directly to the ones who wished to kill her. Period.

Real American: There are many and different variations of Christianity.

sea: I have fought, and won my fights, against minorities, (hispanics and blacks). I have never to my knowledge had a physical confrontation with a gay person.

Perhaps you should study a bit about National Socialism before claiming that it does not mix with Christianity. You may be mistaking Communism for Socialism. It happens alot.

 

At 15, in school they really haven't been talking that much about psychology, instead we have been busy focusing on evolution and biology. I do not know if you do or don't fear homosexuals, I was simply making a hypothesis.

Warrior, if you truly believe that homosexuality is "against" God, then I cannot stop you from believing that; its your right. However, in the passage I quoted in my last post, that you said, you deny homosexuals rights that are guaranteed to all human beings. In this country there is a separation between Church and State. You might not want to associate with homosexuals, but they have the right to live in peace among you and "yours" (I assume you meant heteroseuxals). It seems as if you want them to be locked away from the world. And why should a homosexual be denied the right to teach that they are a good person to our children, just as you think you have the right to teach that they aren't? Maybe in your religious community you and your fellow Christians can shun homosexuals; however as far as with the rest of the country, and the world, homosexuals will still have the right to "flaunt their ways", just as others "flaunt" their heterosexual ways; the right to associate with whoever they want; the right to partake in the union that is known as marriage in the eyes of the government; the right to teach and preach what they know/believe; and of course, the right to live in peace among other human beings.

Just curious by what you mean when you say you have "fought" against minorities. Physically? or in a debate?


Namaste,

Diana

 

I'm getting tired of writing this, now...

Christians do not condemn homosexuals.

Any Christians that do are either not very familiar with The Bible, or they're simply looking for a justification for their homophobia.

The Bible does not condemn homosexuals; homosexuality did not exist in Biblical times. Everyone was assumed to be straight. There is not one mention of homosexuality in the entire Bible — only sex between two men, which is completely different. Having gay sex does not make you gay, and being gay does not make gay sex mandatory.

One section of The Old Testament forbids many things, including gay sex between men. But nobody follows these rules any more; they were given specifically to Old Testament people in Old Testament times. Following them today would be virtually impossible in modern society. For example, nobody can make sure every chair they sit in hasn't already been sat in by a menstruating woman. And have you ever known a Christian to preach against men shaving their beards?

Also, The Bible can't be taken line-by-line as the word of God since it was written by humans, and bias (and occasionally lies) are bound to creep in. There is strong evidence to suggest that some of the stuff in The Bible was made up. I believe The Bible as a whole represents the word of God, but the fact is that each sentence in The Bible is the word of a man from a bygone era.

People in Biblical times did not understand sexuality or evolutionary instinct, so they thought that homosexual acts were wrong and perverse. Therefore, it is only natural that this ethos would make its way into The Bible, either directly stated or through implication. Other implications of cultural values found their way in, too (such as women being inferior to men). That does not make them the word of God.

If you want to know what God thinks, listen to the words of his son.