Why are Christians such homophobes?

Warrior, in answer to your initial question as to why some of us are "Christianphobes", all it takes is to look at your quotes above. You, and so many other so-called "Christians" are full of hate and venom. Your ilk, are actually very devil-like because you hate and judge others so viciously. You do not follow the teaching's of Christ, as you profess. You make THINK you do because you attend church and believe the Bible literally, however, to be "Christ-like" you really need to have love in your heart and soul. All I see in your soul is hatred and bitterness.

You are the one who should leave this place and stop promoting your hatred in here. There are actually some very kind and loving Christians in here who are not opposed to same sex marriage. Those Christians are the ones who give the religion hope and endurance. You, however, contribute to the erosion of Christianity because of your intolerance.

 

I think you should let your God judge. If you think it is wrong, thats fine. Doesn't mean everyone will agree with you. Doesn't mean everyone even has to agree with you. No one is going to force you to be gay. If your god exists and wants to punish people for their homosexuality than he will. It isn't up to christians to judge the way they think their god would.

Matthew 7:1-2 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "

 

That's very true, Sera. It talks about how some things are wrong (and I would like to take this time to point out that the bible was revised many times, and also: Humans wrote the bible, and perhaps it is possible that they wrote what the Lord said, but misinterpreted it somehow?). I mean, if everyone sees things a different way, then isn't it possible they simply wrote what they understood from what God said, not exactly what God means?), but also not to judge. So save the judgement for God when it is your time.
Jesus teaches love, forgiveness, and acceptance over all other things.

 

How can you judge a God you dont know. Or ppl you dont know. All christians do not share the same beliefs. I am completely against gay relationships. And i feel that way because the Bible says it is wrong...however i would never turn anyone away...nor would God. It is your business who you are with and what gender you prefer as long as...i dont like it but i wouldnt condemn you for it.

 

That seems like a stereotype right there. I mean, that's no different than saying to a black person "you, and so many other black people are full of hate and venom". Me personaly, I try to ignore the idiots and morons out there. If you notice, I already mentioned to warrior on his actions not being Christain like. What you have just said is that because a few "christains" have rubbed you the wrong way, you don't like the majority of them.

Now if only some people could use what you said and apply it to themselves. "Noone is forcing you to be hetrosexual...". If it ever comes up in a vote, I will vote no. Until then, I think all judges that break the law should be jailed.

But not acceptance of the sin. That is what I am doing here. Voicing my opinion as you are. We just disagree.

 

There is a difference between voicing your opinion and this:

I would just like to add, I can see how the title of this thread could be offensive, and is a generalization. I know some christians that aren't homophobes.

 

lol. WWJD? i don't think he woulda said THAT. however, that's kinda the point. we're only human. becoming a christian doesn't mean that you're perfect, only that you try to be better to show that you ARE grateful for christ's sacrifice that brought you closer to god. christians, naturally, get pissed off, too. to degrade such a person for less than perfect behavior is sort of pointless, since a sensible christian knows very well that he has fallen short of the glory of god.

 

just an extreme example, sera, but what you said there is like saying "i know some black people that aren't on welfare." it's a well, duh, sort of statement. but saying you only know 'some' christians that aren't homophobes is like saying that the vast majority are. i don't know ANY homophobe christians, actually, and i know quite a few christians.

 

Well I grew up going to a Batist school...and there were some really fanatic about the religion, I was actually suspended from school for dating an african-american (for like 2 dates) because they believe that the bible says it is wrong.

I didn't mean it how it sounds, ever since I have left that school I have not met any other christian like that.

 

well, there's likely to be a whole lot of people whom you would never peg to be christians out there. not many will be willing to speak up to you about it if they know that you're openly angry with the church school you attended. people can sense these things. i know i wouldn't open up the conversation.

 

I am through with the profanity. It served its purpose when needed.

Sera: Matthew 7:1-2 says that we do not judge. It does not say that we should not uphold Gods judgement. Judea-Christians tend to believe that even as they point out a sentence from God or Jesus that they themselves are being the judges. God is the judge, we are His messengers. With an open heart and prayer, you will see that God and His Word is the definitive Word. Our duty is to carry it forth.

Perhaps you should not have left that church. God too is a racist:

"Miscegenation was a crime to the Israelite people. The law that Moses handed down to Israel in Deuteronomy 23:2 says "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord". Now the word "bastard" in the original Hebrew was a word "mamzer" and the meaning of that word is, a mongrel, one of a mixed race."
http://www.churchofthesonsofyhvh.org/our_christian_identity.htm

 

God is NOT racist. I don't have a King James version with me, but my NIV says, "No one born of a forbidden marriage". I'm thinking forbidden means an incestuous relationship. For one, God does NOT exclude any one from his presence. These were the old temple laws. Jewish temples are strictly for the Jewish. No one else is allowed to enter. Futhermore, I don't think he would approve of the white supremacy crap associated with that link at the bottom. You speak out against Jews as well, but are you not aware that Jesus is going to come back to Israel to save his people? It was not just the Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus killed. It was the sins of humanity as a whole.

Sera Michele - You were right in leaving that church. Any church that teaches you that another culture is wrong, needs to be doing some hard core praying and seeking direction from God.

 

Do you seriously think that God is all loving? Noooooooooo.......Is Jesus? Nooooooooo. Am I full of "hate and venom"? Yeeeessssssss. My hatred and venom is for lies; My hatred and venom is towards those who spread those lies. I do not judge, as you say; I point out Gods judgement. God says, man shall not lie with man. Can you argue with God? Can you put His Holy Words below your governments deceitfull ways? Man shall not lie with man. Pretty simple. Anyone who professes to be Christian and argues against that is then an anti-Christ, a deceiver.

Please reconsider your statement. Who between us is eroding Christianity? Tolerance is not a word used by God or Jesus. They do not tolerate abuse of Gods Word. If it makes you happy, swim in that Judea-Christian quagmire that is tolerance. In the end when you come up from it you will smell of a cesspool.

From abbaddaba:

Homosexuals have all the freedom they want. I don't deny them "freedom". I deny them rights. I deny them the right to partake of the holy union that is known as marriage; I deny them the right to be blessed by me in thier desire to corupt the words and teachings of God; I deny them the right to teach my child that they are good people; I deny them the right to associate with me or my child; I deny them the right to live peacably among me or mine; I deny them the right to flaunt their ways; i deny them respect; I deny them, period.

Do you know my sins? Do I profess my sins as good? Do I polute this board with my sins in an attempt to sway others into believing that my sins are acceptable by Jesus simply because I foolheartedly think that He is not against them? This is the difference in our sins: I keep mine between God and I. I work to cleanse those sins; homosexuals promote thier sins. They do not repent them. Pretty obvious, isn't it?

Thus far I have been called a Nazi, a Neo-Nazi, an asshole, a Skinhead, and now a Klansman. Isn't it strange how "we love everyone" liberal hippies aren't so liberal when it comes to people of different views. BTW. The hippies of the 60s that you all try to imulate - they are mostly all sellouts to the Capitalist pigs that they ranted against.

And why did you not respond to this:

 

I kinda like this 'Warrior' poster.


Reminds me of Juiceman3000 on steroids

 

I'm not really sure what Bible you are reading, but that is one of the most Un-Christian statements I have ever read from someone claiming to be a Christian. If you weren't all loving, would you die on a cross to save mankind who is not willing to accept your message? There is a difference between being rude and standing up for your faith. I agree that I am not particularly thrilled to read about people who only have negative things to say about the Lord. His message is for every one, but not every one will accept it. That is their own choice. We as Christians are here to spread God's message, but not to back someone into a corner until they accept it. I understand that you want to be a warrior for Christ, but the idea of being a good Christian soldier is more of a spiritual war with the devil than a war with others. Of course you should stand your ground, but swearing, and condemning really isn't showing a fruitful spirit.

It is understandable that you would want to keep your child from certain things, such as watching half naked women parade around on tv, or certain role models in this day and age that are only of negative influence, but it would be more Christian to teach your child that God loves every one becaue he does. God doesn't hate homosexuals. He says it is wrong. It is a matter of repentence and turning away from sin. If God was hateful, he would not have come down in the flesh (as Jesus Christ) and then die on a cross, and no one would be able to recieve salvation. It is very un-Christian to teach your children to be prejudice.

 

i think a lot of the anti-homosexuality clauses in the bible were more for politico/social reasons that anything actually to do with god. i firmly believe that the jews of the day were striving very hard to differentiate themselves from the dominant religious/sexual practices of the surrounding cultures. monogamy being the key, and you can't be monogamous if your having homosexual relations. since the jews were all married, it would be impossible. adultery destabilizes an entire small community. therefore, make god against it.


god doesn't make mistakes, people do. i don't believe the writers to be infallible. i cannot help it that i'm attracted to women. there was no choice involved. however, once i got married, well, after a while anyway (having had a husband not threatened by it), i decided not to have sex with people outside of that relationship. god made me. god loves me, and i'm bi. i'm not evil, and i'm not wrong. adultery was the crime, not the love.

 

And what if your child just happens to turn out to be gay? Will you deny them equal rights, not associate with them or choose to live peacefully with them, deny them respect and deny them, period??

 

Christians that are homophobic are afraid of the sinful love that lives in their own hearts, take this warrior guy, definite homosexual who fights it with every word he can find in the bible.


Warrior, I am going to find some old stories to deny you rights.

 

I've studied the Bible, for quite a long time. I understand the Bible very well. The Bible does not encourage the kind of hate and judgement that is coming from Warrior.

Well, maybe not that verse in the Bible, but it does say it elsewhere.

1 Corinthians 4:4-5
4My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts.


Romans 14:9-13

9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[1] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way


Romans 2:1
1You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.


The above passages are asking you specifially to not look down on or judge your brother, because they will all bow before the Lord and be judged, just like you will. You are not judging by pointing out verses in the Bible, but this is a little more than pointing out verses:

Remember the woman in John 8 who commited adultry, whom the people wanted to stone? What did Jesus say to them, even though God specifically calls adultry a sin?

John 8:7
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

Are you without sin?


I John 1:8
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

 

Allow me to paraphrase what has become the most abused and needlessly misunderstood teaching of Jesus:



"Judge not lest you be judged"



That is not what it says anyway.. thoughts are communicated in sentences so read the entire thought or do not bother reading it at all.


The thought itself goes like this (in King James english.. which is part of the problem as I will explain later)

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

But wait.. theres more... this isnt just hurled out from nowhere... Jesus then clarifies what He just said.
(for those who mistakenly believe that it 'open to any interpretation')

And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and them shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

FINALLY... for some of us, this will be a shocker because they have been used to parroting the rumour - "for does not you own bible teach 'thou shalt not judge'.
NO.

Now the problem is that people are quoting an olde form of english which we dont use anymore. So here comes my 'modern' paraphrase:

DO Judge.. but make certain you judge FAIRLY.

DO JUDGE... but make certain you judge FAIRLY!

People are absolutely insane and completely silly if they think for one minute that you are not called to make JUDGEMENTS all day, about people, places and things. 24/7 you will be making judgements!

Here, the eternally wise Jesus simply, clearly and without 'soft interpration or vague moral tales' CLEARLY explains to be a fair and proper judge.

So yes... JUDGE.. You should Judge but make sure its PROPER and FAIR judgement in which you apply the exact same standards to yourself!

Fair judgement can ALSO INCLUDE.... acknowledging that you are not in a good position to make a rationale or fair judgment.. that you are biased yourself and therefore NOT making a conclusion yet either cant it?

Hope that clears things up?