why are bisexuals the ugly step-child of the LGBTQ community?

Discussion in 'Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans, etc.' started by thepapasmurph, Sep 18, 2022.

  1. thepapasmurph

    thepapasmurph Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I was following a post elsewhere about a man who stated he was bisexual, intelligent, well-rounded man - who found it difficult to form a decent relationship in the gay community - this was interesting to me - and I thought I would throw it out there to this community to get some feedback.
    I know there is the spectrum of those who say they are bisexual - from an occasional sexual attration to a body part all the way to emotional and physical bonding with a person of the same sex...
    but it has been surprising to me to find negative slap back from gay and lesbians about bisexuals.
    I've been told it is simply the last stop on becoming fully gay.
    It's a phase.
    It's the idea that bisexual men are just in is for the opportunity for sex and a lot of it. (as if gay men dont' have sex that often)
    a few guys posted the comments they would not enter into a relationship with a bisexual man.
    I asked why - they did not answer.
    I think it is pure prejudice and lack of understanding.
    I full-well know that men who fall in the spectrum of bisexual that they view their bisexuality very differently.
    some are fully engaged in sex with both men and women -
    others find themselves attracted to women but have sex (or intimate relationships) with men almost exclusively.
    So I know this is could bring a broad response based on where you're at.
    But, I am curious - have you experienced prejudice because you consider yourself a bisexual?
    and how have you responded to that?
    And do female bisexuals experience the same thing as males do?
     
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  2. Captain Scarlet

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    Is it something to do with the idea of having best of both worlds ?

    Bisexuals tend to be looking for extra sex on the side so to speak whereas someone Gay will be looking for more of a relationship .

    Just my views .I am not sure of how far wide of the mark I am but being Bi Sexual did cause some problems in the core relationship of some when I did some relationship counselling some years ago.
     
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  3. Si69

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    Afraid I can't agree.

    As a bisexual/pansexual I have always enjoyed sex with all humans. I as much love eating pussy as sucking cock; I love fucking and very much being fucked.....my first guy fucked me when I was 19 .....but at this stage of my life I'm on the gay end of bisexual.

    It was never looking for a 'bit on the side' for me.....if someone attracted me then I was interested for sex. I never looked for a relationship....and the amount of gay guys I have been with who are not looking for a relationship but sex fun, whether they are in an open relationship or just cheating.

    Guys can just have fun and do it without any further connection, whether gay, bi or trans, which is the beauty of it IMHO!

    Simon :)
     
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  4. thepapasmurph

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    Have you received any negative flap over being bisexual or pansexual, Simon? I have.
     
  5. Si69

    Si69 Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    No never, but I realise generally I have probably been lucky regarding my liking for guys. But at the same time I consider my sex life private to myself and those I have relations with...... thus of no others concern or interest....I e. I have never broadcast my proclivity.

    Simon :)
     
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  6. Jcinalco

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    I’ve told gays I’m bi and none have said anything negative to me.
     
  7. DarNY

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    I’ve heard for years from people. there is no true bisexual. Of course u can’t win that debate. People are people. I’ve known my whole life I was very open minded sexually. Anyone who is hardcore on any stance really bothers me. And even in the LGBTQ community I’ve felt some negative feedback from some who say your not this or that. Really. Not so piece and love. Kinda turned my stomach. Where I have to battle about How I feel inside.
     
  8. Jcinalco

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    I’ve heard but haven’t experienced this yet. I was told by a gay man I was the first bi he had met but it wasn’t anything derogatory from him. We got along great.
     
  9. thepapasmurph

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    I had a man tell me he didn't trust me because I told him I am bisexual... but I thought that was very ironic, since he was a gay man and he was also married to another gay man - and he was suggesting that we hook up... I didn't think that made logical sense. who in this scenario is the guy not to be trusted?
     
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  10. Candy Gal

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    Nooo all are excepted in my world.
     
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  11. nudistguyny

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    It seems that the general feeling is that you are a gay curious straight guy or a gay guy pretending that your straight . A lot of people feel that there is no middle ground.

    I always tell people that human sexuality is not black and white . But black, many shades of gray , and white .And that is what human sexuality is.
     
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  12. Candy Gal

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    I just support human.
    None of us are perfect.
    Most never admit it.
    Embrace who you are. X
     
  13. BiGuySW

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    As a long-time bi man (many decades), I don't feel like an ugly step-child at all. Bi people who are willing to talk about their inner life and who always look for what we have in common are among the most interesting and affectionate people I've met in life.
     
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    Good for you.
    I have many Bi guy friends.
    I am married and straight.
    They don't care. X
     
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  15. Well I'm curious

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    I'm sure Bi is a thing. Though I have no experience to share.

    I'm sure some people can enjoy sexual relations with males and females. It seems its out there if you know where to look.

    I think I've heard some say it's like being in denial of being gay.

    I think I could hook up with a guy but I do not want to sleep with me exclusively.

    I could totally accept bi women.

    I have a friend who is female who I know had a girlfriend at least once but seems to have mostly dated men and is in a relationship with a man. I don't know the juicy details it didn't seem right to ask but she did mention it once.

    I don't know if she is Bi or just had a fling. I think it's hot but we are just friends . We met through work and we keep in touch is all.
     
  16. Peaceful_LotusFlower

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    I'm not sure, I've come across a few Lesbians back in the day and a lot of them were very negative towards me. I can understand if they were possibly hurt by a bisexual woman, but I kinda took it to heart since I was new to everything. I've just come out in my mid 20's and they thought it was just a fling, but I knew it wasn't. I've known I was always attracted to women since I was younger even, I just chose not to say anything to anyone or act on it because I didn't understand what was going on. I was in my mid-teen years when this happened.

    My stepfather is very strict and religious and told me even when I came out that he wouldn't approve of it and kept urging me to only date men and not date women. I've only been with one woman in my life and she ended up telling me she was still in love with her ex-girlfriend, so we broke up. I'm very shy and bashful when it comes to approaching people, so I never met any other woman that I clicked with. A few other women have asked me to have a threesome with their husband and I said No because I didn't want to be a part of that, simply because they were married and I know how that goes with the third wheel. I don't want to be responsible in case a breakup/separation happens. I don't think bisexual's always get shunned by the LGBT community but I had an experience where I did, I think everyone just handles things differently. I approve of everyone though, I don't judge anyone for sex, gender, or race. I accept everyone.
     
  17. Well I'm curious

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    If a guy or a girl doesn't accept you are truely Bisexual and have been with the other then they are not for you.

    If you are open with a guy that you have been with a woman then it's history of you are committed to him it is what it is as long as the relationship continues or is exclusive.

    If a lesbian doesn't accept that you are Bi but wanting to be with them then they are not for you. But if you stay in that exclusive relationship you could be a Lesbian or be honest about you Bi history but again, you are exclusive with that woman then the Label should not matter.

    As for threesomes, guys fantasize about those.

    If the woman is asking you to join she may well be Bi or like to Try.

    I understand being the third wheel but if it's an offer for NSA fun then enjoy the moment.

    You can't feel responsible if they invited you but they have an issue later. You were asked to join in.

    If you started sleeping with the husband or the wife to cause a problem it's still partly them who have the Commitment to the other party, not you. But that's not your angle.

    If a woman asks you to participate in a threesome you need to know her angle, is she into you or wanting to watch her husband fuck someone. Are you happy to be the Bi partner in the mix.

    Would you hookup with him if there were no conflicts. If yes go for it but I magine lots of women can find guys easily

    If it's just for fun and mutually agreeable then no harm done.

    Married couples here share. Whatever the reason it's something they participate in. To me marriage is partly traditional and it's a a legal contract. It doesn't stop people straying. It's probably the most broken contract that exists either through infidelity or divorce. I really think people like the tradition.

    Myself, I would encourage my wife to participate in a threesome with a bi woman and she knows it.

    I would probably consider participating with a bi male if she arranged it. The catch is she has to suggest the idea and be open to us all experimenting with mutual agreement. I would have to be open to her interacting with him as much as she has to be open to me interacting with him if I wish. Mostly I need her to be turned on by it or encourage us all to try what we might.

    And if you are looking for a girlfriend all I suggest is that you make it clear you are pursuing her and the Bi/male thing is in your history but it's a girl you want to be in a relationship with.
     
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  18. BiGuySW

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    As a bisexual man, the gay men I have actually known understand that I am attracted to both men and women. I met most of them through my work at a university. Most of them know my girlfriend and respect her as a colleague. Gay men in academia tend to get along with everybody, just like most other colleagues in that setting.

    The gay men I have met casually usually want to kiss me when involved in sex, which is how I know they are more gay than bi. I have met those rare bi men who like to kiss, but not very many. It was a gay man who really got me into kissing other men. I never had a gay lover disparage me for being pan sexual. I've heard comments online from gay men that were disparaging against me as a bisexual but have not experienced it in real life situations.

    In any case, it is very rare indeed that a gay man acts catty about me being bi or pan in my sexual and gender orientations. I think that being affectionate and respectful has melted away the obsession with labels, at least with the men I've met in person. If I like someone, I let them know, and we usually get along fine.
     
  19. thepapasmurph

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    This comment is interesting. I'd like to know if others share your view. I find it interesting because - while I relate to the bisexual identity, it is clear to me that I tip way closer to being gay on the scale of sexual attractions and behavior. It is often written by bi men that they are interested in the body parts of the man, but not the man - and kissing is off the table in an encounter - yet the intimate act of oral sex is not. So, yeah - I also have found it interesting that I am comfortable kissing a man - and I have kissed men passionately that I just met... and by your statement, I am gay.

    Labels are just that... I prefer to just be open and willing to enjoy my experiences with others. I have not been with a woman intimately in so long. I would enjoy it again, I think. But I simply do not pursue it. My attraction is certainly much more for males. I also wonder if this is simply my own journey in accepting myself. It should not bother me in the slightest if someone thinks or speaks negatively about me, in relation to my sexuality or any other description of who I am.
     
  20. BiGuySW

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    No, I did not want to imply that men who kiss other men passionately or sensually are all gay. As a bi man, I just happened to learn about that pleasure from gay men.

    It is more common among gay men than bi men. But I must say, the most meaningful kiss I ever shared with a man was with a bi man. We were both so tentative. We wanted to express our affection, but were unsure whether the other person was up for it. That first kiss with him was negotiated in the same way that I feel my way into a first kiss with a woman-- very tentative at first but making sure that both parties were really going to do it. That is such an exciting passage in a relationship.

    In my experiences with gay men, I was fairly submissive to kissing. They were far more assertive and experienced than me, but I liked it anyway. So far, I would say my kisses with gay men have been more based in passion, and my limited kisses with bi men were more based in affection. No other generalizations beyond that.
     
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