WHO will be Hollywood's Next Sexual Assaulter??

That's the same ages my dad and mum got together.

Now, who want a black eye for calling him a predator? cause I got my left hand thunder and my right hand stone locked and ready, right NOW!

 

That's different as I assume 17 was the age of consent

14/26, which VG said is when that started, sounds a whole lot creepier and falls under the legal definition of statuatory rape

 

I think 16 is here too. I always laugh tbh, dad on his motorcycles, the bad boy, and mum came outta a small country village, obviously young and impressed lol.

 

Nicole Eggert Taped 'Dr. Oz' Over Scott Baio Sexual Allegations But Show Was Shelved

 

It was different then too, people married younger and had kids younger, 17 year olds werent viewed as kids the same way they are now

 

I've asked this of men in my life...and I'll ask the men here...if a woman from your past comes out of the past into your present, and goes on social media accusing you of rape/sexual assault/harassment, and you are not guilty, what should happen?

I believe many of the allegations, but not all. I think that we all sit back and watch these stories unfold in the media, and we automatically crucify the men being accused, without any trial, etc. And, I think that's wrong. It's wrong for accusations/allegations to automatically mean guilt.

Like I said, I do believe many of the stories, but not all...especially if money is involved.

So, to my original question...I wonder how many men who are supportive of crucifying all these men in the media without due process of law would feel if a woman comes out of their past, and accuses them of rape? Sexual assault? Harassment? (when it's not true)

For some of these stories, it is definitely true. But, not all.

There was a story in the news recently about a comedian who had a one night stand with a random chick, and the sex was totally consensual, until the next day...she didn't like that he basically dismissed her...and she sought revenge, and took to the #metoo movement, with her story that she was supposedly assaulted. She's on a mission to ruin this guy's career and reputation. I really fear for some of the men out there, or maybe many, who will have similar situations happen...and all it takes is a woman to cry out ''he raped me'' and she will believed.

Rape and sexual assault are crimes, and should be treated as such. Not as he said/she said kind of things, and a woman can come out with accusing someone of rape 20-30 years later, and automatically be believed. I don't think that's right, from an ethical view. I get that it's a scary thing to report, but this is creating a slippery slope where we can try and convict people in the media, without due process of law.

 

You can see my views on this complex issue in my conversation with Kerri on the previous page.
The fact that people in the headlines are being accused, means that these women can sell their stories to the media, so regardless of the outcome, they will make a lot of money. Here in the UK, we have had a spate of similar accusations made against television personalities and members of the government. While a few of them are true, others range from exaggeration to complete fabrication.

 

Thank you! This guy gets it.

Totally agree - some of these stories are true but some aren't... and the other part of this is, that when it becomes a free for all, then real rape and assault victims will not be believed. Or as believed.

Something I've also noticed - none of the accused are hot guys. lol Are we to believe that attractive men don't ever sexually assault women? Or harass them? Kinda makes you wonder.

If they do, we're not hearing about it. Why?

 

Aziz Ansari?

That chick really does do a gross injustice to real victims by calling what happened to her sexual assault, and nothing she accuses him of doing would qualify in court. Since he's a celebrity this has unfortunately affected his career but that kind of accusation wouldnt affect a normal person in the same way as it wouldnt be enough to press charges amd wouldn't be made public the way it shamelessly was in this case with him being a celebrity

False accusations are really rare though, it is important to keep that in mind. People act like they are common but there is no evidence to suggest that

 

Maybe. But, it would be enough for a guy to lose his job, if a woman decided to tell the employer, etc.

There's no evidence to suggest that they're uncommon, it's just an uncommon topic. There are plenty of he said/she said scenarios, but it's interesting how we always tend to believe the woman, and never the guy. I think that creates a slippery slope for men and women, in that as a woman, I don't want someone to believe what I'm saying strictly because of my gender. I want to be believed because what I'm saying is true (if I were to allege that a guy raped me, etc)

 

I think that when girls get a snog with the 'hot' actors, they feel flattered and their self esteem gets a boost. Hardly something that they are going to complain about. Most of these guys have a partner, so a quick snog is all they get. It is excused under the name of artistic licence

Girls seem to think that they can enhance their career by making themselves available to producers and directors. They inevitably get let down. The best job they will ever get will involve making a lot of tea and plenty of sweeping studio floors.
While producers and directors appear to select the cast, this is not entirely true. Most films are backed by investors who are simply looking for the box office attraction of the cast. It is a long and drawn out process that is often completed long before the monies are secured and the production announced. I can just imagine a producer going back to the investors and telling them that he has replaced one of the stars with a girl who slept with him last night. LMAO.
Here in the UK, casting is a particular problem, since the much larger potential audience of the US is what the investor's focus on. I cannot say too much, but look at who played Charley Chaplin in the film of his life story.

 

No, there is actual evidence that false allegations are rare

This article links two studies that indicate between 2% and 6% of allegations are false

Here’s the truth about false accusations of sexual violence

And other studies generally show similiar results.

And it is important to remember that 2% - 6% doesnt include only women who lie maliciously. It includes women who are raped by strangers and identify the wrong person in a line up and it includes women who never actually name an attacker.

So statistically speaking we should be believing the women.

I'm not sure how you can read through this thread and make the claim that women are always believed and men never are. This thread alone is filled with people who think these women are doing it for money or for their career, and of course this happens frequently, not just here .

Diseblief and victim blaming are exactly why it is estimated that the majority of women who have been raped never come forward.

 

It's prolly already been said but pls nobody from Game of Thrones

 

I'm not victim blaming. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I don't believe any of the stories, I said I don't believe all. If you do, that's your choice.

We're not automatically ''victims'', just because we're women. And every man isn't a potential rapist. So, no I don't believe every woman when she says she's been raped, or assaulted. Likewise, I don't believe every man who denies he raped or assaulted. This is why we have a justice system, or does that not matter? We should just decide outside of a courtroom who is guilty and who isn't, and just forget about due process?

When I see all the evidence, and evidence isn't snippets shared on social media, or a random news channel...but actual evidence...then, I'll make an informed decision.

 

How did I put words in your mouth?

I said there is victim blaming in this thread and I insinuated that it is a pretty common response to hearing about sexual assault.

Anyways my point is statistically speaking you should be believing 94% - 98% of all sexual assault and rape victims. I hope you take the time to look at those studies .

 

We do have a justice system, people dont just go to jail without a trial.

I dont think i've ever heard anyone make the claim that all women are victims and all men are rapists, thats a bit of a jump.

I provided you a link to an article that linked to two studies, did you not look at it? I would have linked the studies directly but they're in pdf file. I did not provide you a snippet from social media, I provided studies. If you choose not to look at the evidence presented and then make the claim that you havent been presented the evidence, thats on you. If the studies linked in the article arent good for you perhaps you could explain what about their mythology you don't like?

If you don't like the methology of the studies provided there are others. You should note that other studies of this nature have yielded very similar results .

 

here you go

https://www.researchgate.net/public...p_or_a_chasm_Attrition_in_reported_rape_cases

http://kunskapsbanken.nck.uu.se/nckkb/nck/publik/fil/visa/197/different

also from the article I linked, it is important to keep this in mind when looking at the numbers regarding false rape allegations -

 

That isn't my response though, but I hear you. I don't think everyone who claims to be a victim, is a victim. Victim blaming is when you blame a person for their own assault. You may believe the victim, but you blame the victim as if the victim had something to do with it. That's victim blaming.

Not making a decision to believe someone or not, until I read or hear all the actual objective evidence and not a media spin on it, is not victim blaming.

I don't disbelieve them across the board, but I'd have to read about the cases to make an informed decision.

This is an interesting article talking about this topic.

Only 2–8% of Rape Reports Are False? Betsy DeVos Is Still Right to Fix Title IX.

 

By the sounds of that one though, she assumed because he was a wealthy celebrity he'd already been with a few ladies. But got to hotel room and weird awkward stuff starting happening.

One where I believe the lady at least was a bit weirded out by it. It sounds one way until you hear the details of it. Anzari was just guilty of being an awkward noob

 

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