Who Was Jesus? He Definitely Is Not God

This is from Wikipedia. Notice they do say he is the "Son of God". Not the trinity that most Christian religions adhere to. ie...just about all of them. Jesus is not God.



Jesus (/ˈdʒiːzəs/; Greek: Ἰησοῦς Iesous, Aramaic: ܝܫܘܥ‎ Isho; 7–2 BC to 30–33 AD), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth, is the central figure of Christianity,[12] whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God. Christianity regards Jesus as the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament and refers to him as Jesus Christ,[e] a name that is also used in non-Christian contexts.

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[f] although the quest for the historical Jesus has produced little agreement on the historical reliability of the Gospels and on how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus.[19] Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Galilee who preached his message orally,[20] was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate.[21] Scholars have constructed various portraits of the historical Jesus, which often depict him as having one or more of the following roles: the leader of an apocalyptic movement, Messiah, a charismatic healer, a sage and philosopher, or an egalitarian social reformer.[22] Scholars have correlated the New Testament accounts with non-Christian historical records to arrive at an estimated chronology of Jesus' life. The most widely used calendar era in the world (abbreviated as "AD", alternatively referred to as "CE"), counts from a medieval estimate of the birth year of Jesus.

 

Not one mention of the supernatural.

 

That is true. It's Wikipedia
But if you read the bible you can see and hear And study Jesus words and he tells where he is from and what his purpose is.

 

You're quoting Wikipedia, as if it were a reliable source?

Still, I agree with you. It's likely the story of jesus rose up from several significant figures that rose up all around that time period. Different elements of different people's lives, and legends about them, where all taken and rolled into one jesus story.

 

A human individual.

 

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

I'm narrow. This one I think is interesting. I'll have to think about it.

 

I didn't notice that. I thought the article simply said "whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God." That's a little different from saying He is. And the article doesn't say that "Jesus is not God." You do. I think the article is pretty good for Wikepedia. Of course, it simply recites the secular consensus view, which is all that one should expect from such an encyclopedia. I'm wondering though what your purpose could possibly be in citing the Wikepedia article, since you seem to want to go beyond it. "Definitely" is such a strong word.

 

It is unfortunate that a teaching about the rightful inheritance of the children of god should be turned into a personality cult of human sacrifice and that it should idolize suffering even for the seeming sake of redemption.

I and my father are one meaning of the same being. We all are created in the likeness and image of god which is a recognition we are taught to cultivate as when you pray, our father who art in heaven...

The salient point of the nazarene's teaching was not that he was the son of god but that you are and we can learn to recognize god in the world and in each other and in action, as we exist for and with each other and are created to create the good and the holy. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]These things shall[/SIZE] you do [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]and things greater than these.[/SIZE]

Give us this day our supersubstansalis, Let us know forgiveness as we forgive what we have made of our brothers and the world. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Don't let us be deceived but rather deliver us from ignorance.[/SIZE]

 

If I may, I would like to introduce you to what Gnostic Christians think of Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

The way Gnostic Christians see Jesus is as a man and Rabbi. We are not literalists. and Jesus belongs to myths.

From todays POV, Jesus' morals would be questioned before we would give him any respect. As you will note in this clip, Jesus' policies become un-workable because like his divorce law, is quite immoral and anti-love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

Christ.

"the anointed"

Selected. Chosen. Dipped in oil like a wick to burn. Light of the World.

 

The scapegoat and Christian whipping boy.

Nothing like punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Regards
DL

 

cant get my point across without a utube video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M38_Re9YNg

 

Are you jealous? Do you wish you were King of Kings? Do you wish people would lovingly sing about YOU, just like this?

http://youtu.be/SXh7JR9oKVE

 

God is gay

 

Really? Historically, Gnostics thought Jesus was completely divine and not human at all. That position is called docetism. The closest the gospels come to it is the Gospel of John, which Gnostics liked the best. The early Christians who thought that Jesus was a man and Rabbi were the Ebionites, who were the very opposite of Gnostics. Freke is a popularizer of mysticism, but I doubt he's a real Gnostic in the traditional sense of the word. But whatever. I guess people could call themselves believers in Black Whiteness if they want. Ignorance is free and legal. I have yet to hear from you or any of the sages on your videos a definition of what Gnostics are, or any coherent set of positive tenets they believe in.

As for questioning Jesus' morals, his attitude toward divorce was a step forward for Jewish women. Traditionally, a man could divorce his wife at will, simply by saying " I divorce thee." Jesus tried to put a stop to that. Jesus taught that God is love, and that the two most important commandments are love of god and love of neighbor. The second of your videos condemns these views as immoral, along with forgiveness, universal love, and turning the other cheek. I think this is why Jesus commands the largest following of any of the great relgious teachers, while your critic is destined to a life of obscurity. Nobody interprets these tenets the way the critic (or should we call him the Adversary?) does. The critic recommends continuing the age old reflex of tit for tat, "eye for an eye" retaliatory ethics., and says people must earn love or deserve love--that love must always be conditional. That's why he's a jerk, and Jesus if more influential. I'll choose Jesus' ethics over the jerk's any day. But again, what does this have to do with Gnosticism? Or is Gnosticism just a convenient label for any position opposed to traditional Christianity?l

 

Really? What god is that? Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; 1Corinthians 6:9; Romans1:26

 

sorry, I was getting into Kurt Cobain

 

He could be god, depending on how one chooses to define the word "god":

From http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/God.htm--

GOD - The English word God is identical with the Anglo-Saxon word for “good,” and therefore it is believed that the name God refers to the divine goodness. (See Oehler's Theol. of Old Test.; Strong's and Young's concordances.) (From New Unger's Bible Dictionary) (Originally published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois. Copyright (C) 1988.)

Word origin: God - Our word god goes back via Germanic to Indo-European, in which a corresponding ancestor form meant “invoked one.” The word’s only surviving non-Germanic relative is Sanskrit hu, invoke the gods, a form which appears in the Rig Veda, most ancient of Hindu scriptures: puru-hutas, “much invoked,” epithet of the rain-and-thunder god Indra. (From READER’S DIGEST, Family Word Finder, page 351) (Originally published by The Reader’s Digest Association, Inc., Pleasantville New York, Montreal; Copyright (C) 1975)

According to New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, the word, “LORD” seen in the OT is “Yahweh.” Unger’s says of the word Yahweh:

This is used as a proper name of God and should have been retained in that form by the translators.” Since we know that most translators have mistranslated the name of the Almighty, by calling Him, “LORD,” instead of, “Yahweh,” we will now research the word “God.” Perhaps there are similar translator errors here as well.

“El” - The primary Hebrew word for ‘God’ is the word “El.” By using Strong’s Definition, we can quickly ascertain the meaning of both the Hebrew and Greek words for “God”:

· 410 'el (ale); shortened from 352; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): KJV-- God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, mighty one), power, strong. Compare names in "-el."

· 352 'ayil (ah'-yil); from the same as 193; properly, strength; hence, anything strong; specifically a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree: KJV-- mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

· 193 'uwl (ool); from an unused root meaning to twist, i.e. (by implication) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful: KJV-- mighty, strength

and it goes on and on.

Depending on how anyone chooses to define the word god, anyone could be one, really.

So, the supposed Jesus could have been considered a god, depending on how the term was used when the NT was being contrived.

 

What a convoluted approach to the concept of god! We happen to have inherited our word for God from the AngloSaxons, but etymology doesn't get us far in understanding the concept. Gods have been around since at least the Neolitic period, and although they go by many names, the concept is pretty well understood. The Webster definition that I think is most in accord with common understanding is: a supernatural "spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions." El was the original Canaanite name for God, and Elhoim tends to be used in scriptures attributed to the northern kingdom of Israel and the Elohist scribes. Yahweh is associated with Judea and the J scribes. When the New Testament was "being contrived" the word "God" was used to describe the deliverer and protector of Isarael and the God of the Universe. So I don't think "anyone could be one, really." Jesus came to be considered a God during the first century of His birth.