Who sinned first? Man, Satan or God?

Wanted to + rep you, but I have to spread the love around before I can, again. :2thumbsup:

 

No one else pointed this out to you, so I'm gonna do you a favour - Noxious meant human childbirth hurts more because our brains mean we have better pain receptors - he wasn't literally referring to the size of the infants head.

Good news for elephant and blue whale mothers, right?!

 

actually I was.
Humans have heads that are proportionately much larger than any other mammal at birth. It is of course due to the increase in brain mass.
As far as I know all other mammals have a head that is a big as or smaller than the shoulders presenting a more streamlined profile and so easier birth. But human babies have heads as big as or bigger than the shoulders and baby shoulders are super flexible and collapse over one another at birth to some degree, leaving the head as the largest part of the body to go through the birth canal.

If the frontal cortex were not as developed, such as in skulls of pre-historic humans, they would be more sloped at the forehead and therefore present a more streamlined and easier shape to pass during birthing.
It is literally the size and shape of the forehead that makes the difference.

I never said other animals experience no pain at all, just that by virtue of a greater brain mass, human heads are huge in comparison to other animals.

 

our catholic priest complains of these persistent , heretical Christian Gnostics .
they practice self-knowing , remember their persecution , and play with theology
as a logic toy . allegory is in motion . a goddess is with them . she is provable and
the proof is that she is big trouble . her name is .... p .

 

All strengths that the ancients benefited from and that the foolish literalists have not learned from.

The old ones used to even change the wording of scriptures to make the seeking for the ideal policies. We do the same in secular democratic governance by having an opposition party even if they do not have enough seats.

Your priest probably preferred the illogic that belief in fantasy, miracles and magic brings.

Regards
DL

 

I do not like Oppositionalism . the opposite serves discernment and
shall be quit as discernment advances .

 

Shall be quit as discernment advances is
not meaningful to one who insists on charred flesh as the only informative lesson.

There's a killer on the road

His brain is squirmin like a toad

 

now , how to discern the advance of discernment ? in quietude , listening . the
advance cannot be willfully and specifically pre-determined .

in the beginning , what is the first question ? from the beginning and for what seems a long
time there's simple acceptance+mind and this is pure self-knowing . reasoning from this , your
answer to the second question of the first question should be correct .

 

My apologies to you and volunteer tommy for my misunderstanding.

 

none needed
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Satan sinned first, then Eve and then Adam. Thus Adam and Eve are blamed for bringing sin and death to mankind, because if they had not followed Satan, Mankind would not be bothered with sin and death. It has even been speculated that if Adam had not followed Eve, Mankind would still have been without sin and death.

 

and we wouldn't know much ... that is , not one question to be asked ,
not even ?what is this crazy place?

 

Are you speculating?

It is necessary that temptation come that we have the opportunity of choice. Is sin an offense against god? God knows his own and what he gives is truly given. The only effects of our choice must be whether it nurtures us, gives us ease in being, or not.

Who sinned first is not a meaningful question as there is only one sin and that is the idea that you are separate from your creator, lacked his wisdom, or that you had usurped his will. He who sins is the one who assumes guilt, i.e. we hid, (were afraid,) because we saw we were naked and were ashamed. The question god had was who told you you were naked. It doesn't say he did.

Unfortunately in answer to the next question adam passed the buck so adam doesn't understand the mistake he made and then eve passed the buck with the same result. When the musical chairs stop he cursed the snake, the symbol for temptation.

Temptation is the desire to have illusion be real. Sin being to miss the sign or the correct signature, the sign of god. To not see things as they really are.
The snake convinced eve that she did not posses gods wisdom, that his saying if you eat you will die was not true, although god had in fact given it to them both, (his wisdom.) Adam and eve in fact were anxious only to be with god, they did not know what they were doing. Forgive them.

 

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Oppositional thinking is why we created Satan to go with the God Rome invented.

Absolute power corrupted the absolute God.
That may be why he almost always kills and almost never cures. He takes the moral low ground and leaves the moral high ground to Satan. Strange that Christians can't see that simple and clear fact.

Regards
DL

 

Probably because it's not an absolute fact.

 

It seems that A & E were not fully informed of the consequences of the act.

Do you not think that full disclosure on God's part was a must do before A & E made such a huge decision?

He only gave the one consequence but added a whole lot more after the act.

If that not a sin of omission?

If I did that to my children, they would be able to rightly call me out on my injustice.

That is why it looks like God set up A & E.

If you do not agree then explain why God put Satan right beside Eve who could not possibly fight God's power of deception being channelled through Satan.

Regards
DL

 

Don't ask.:2thumbsup:

Regards
DL

 

Are you speculating?

You have 0 biblical backing for your speculation and in fact, you go against scriptures and add to then while they tell you not to do so.

Regards
DL

 

I agree and covered the rare exception.

If you have numbers to show why you doubt the veracity of my statement then get them or be seen as -------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vngjoSb-XrE"]Avicii - Liar Liar (Audio) - YouTube

Regards
DL

 

I don't mind how you see me. If you ask for me to back up my thoughts you are doing it wrong