Who said schizophrenia isn't like LSD?

Deliriants are most like schizophrenia in my opinion. I'm diagnosed undifferentiated, and while I agree that fallacious connections and disorganized thought present in both psychedelics and schizophrenia, this is only a small similarity when compared to Delirium.
Delirium states include True Hallucinations, Delusions, Mood Panning or Intensifying, Paranoia, False Grandeur, and Irrational/Inappropriate Reactions to Stimuli.

 

so many people now adays are taking schizo medications for no reason, to stupid them up man, to turn them into robots. "schizo" works with reality as well as lsd does, but there are multiple forms of schizophrenia that i mean it could and sometimes there are people who can control it or not

 

I hope you aren't insinuating that ALL taking of antipsychotics is BAD. Because let me assure you, if I didn't take Zyprexa, an antipsychotic, I would surely be either institutionalized, homeless, or imprisoned from my raging psychoses that I have absolutely no control over.

However, if you are talking about people taking antipsychotics off-label for things like insomnia, yes, it is over-prescribed. The side effects from ANY antipsychotic are terribly harsh, even the weak ones like Seroquel, and no one who doesn't suffer psychosis or mania should have to take them.

 

no, i am not talking about either. and i do not know anything about your health history and did not list anywhere i did. there are people being told that they are schizophrenic over ridiculous reasons. like thorazine and respiradone without any legit reason. there is fluoride in respiradone which is oddddd.

 

I still don't know what you are trying to claim. "People being told they are schizophrenic for ridiculous reasons." how do you know those reasons are ridiculous? Are you a trained psychiatrist or neuropsychpharmacologist? Many symptoms of schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder do not fall into the stereotyped symptoms of delusions and paranoia. The disorders feature a wide spectrum of symptoms. Those people may really have the disorder, but just don't present classic symptoms.

And just because an antipsychotic contains a certain molecule you don't like doesn't mean they are poisonous. And even if they were, would you rather live 40 years without schizophrenia and die at age 60 from "poison" or would you want the person to die in a year from suicide? You aren't making much sense.

 

i am vibe-ing you are uptight and can't think outside your box.

 

I'm vib-ing that you don't have much real experience dealing with people with Schizophrenia or Schizoaffective Disorder, because if you did, you would understand what I am trying to say. These people really suffer beyond what you could likely imagine. Antipsychotics suck, but they can make the difference between a life of internal torture and agony and a life without those symptoms.

I don't see how being an advocate for the mentally ill is being "uptight" and I think my research into abstract mathematics would be adequate to prove that I think outside of the box. But those things have nothing to do with Schizophrenia.

 

i think raz5 meant that you can be diagnosed with schizophrenia if you crap your bed every day but have no other symptoms. if they dont know what is wrong with you they can say that its schizophernia, and they give you the medication.

i think i heard this from a psychologist. but im not sure.

 

I have personal experience with Zyprexa, Thorazine, and Invega. I responded somewhat well to Invega, but I still did not feel alright. Thorazine was too much blunting of reality, and Zyprexa actually made me manic and paranoid, where I was not paranoid before.
Different solutions work for different people, and diagnoses are highly individual, and not subject to uninformed speculation.
That being said, not all "afflicted" with this "disease" are suffering. In fact, I do myself believe that the schizophrenic experience of reality is similar to that of any other altered thought system and model for perception; while many of these other mindframes are not considered diseased (despite similar negative repercussions).
It is not on the shoulders of pharmacology to rescue the schizophrenic mind. I believe in absolute self-determination, as well as the omnipotence of the thought reality, and firmly believe that every individual (including schizophrenics) has every power over their own mind. It's a matter of acceptance and channeling or controlling; Adapting to this uncommon and perpetually unique view of Existence.

 

Well, congratulations on not being miserable having Schizophrenia. However, I think that the majority of us live an awful existence if not treated. I can not think of a SINGLE aspect of the illness that is the least bit APPEALING or exciting. In fact, I don't see how walking down the street hearing threatening voices and thinking that the University you go to/work for is planning some sort of ridiculous scheme to lock you up, and having hundreds of students see you walking down the street experiencing such things, could have anything other than the word "suffering" tagged to it.

That's fine and dandy that you aren't suffering, but don't forget that MOST of us ARE.

 

It's ok. I have no idea what raz5 is trying to say either

 

I love LSD, never had a bad trip.
i also studied psychology and from what my profs who specialize in schizophrenia tell me, these people are highly distressed and usually unhappy people.
That doesnt sound like an acid trip to me.

 

etkearne, I believe that the negativity manifested in your schizophrenia is rooted in your own psyche's negativity.
Rid yourself of that, and I am confident you will feel better.

 

Oh yeah...I am SURE that is all that it is. I am confident that I will CONTINUE to feel better by taking 7.5mg of Zyprexa every night. THAT is what I am confident in. Why? Because it has proven, through the last four years, to be the most effective treatment for MY symptoms. Upon taking a dose of Zyprexa after that 'relapse' I described in my post above (I had been off antipsychotics for some time), my misery and agony ended within hours. I was no longer threatened, no longer plagued by paranoia and voices masked in everyday sounds, no longer unable to tell if I was awake or in a dream, etc. It all ended. After that, with proper steps taken to better myself other than medicine, I have been able to live an enriching life in the last 10 months.

In fact, I would say that I am actually happy to be alive, for the FIRST time since I was first plagued by Schizoaffective symptoms at age 12 or so. I actually look forward to waking up and living. Although I have to take medicine, and I will never quite have the abilities of a 'normal' person, I am currently a graduate student with teaching responsibilities at a major research University, and I am one of the only people I am friends with who actually has a decent job that they don't hate.

Although I attribute much of that improvement to things like you describe (ridding negativity or whatever you said), the only way I could even BEGIN to do those self-improvements was to get rid of the psychosis first! And the only way I did that was with antipsychotics. I needed to quell the psychosis before I could even begin to think about altering my negative biases, elevating my mood, finding activities I would enjoy, or anything of that sort.

And back to the topic: Schizophrenia NORMALLY mimics the effects of NMDA antagonists such as PCP and Ketamine, not amphetamines, nor psychedelics. In the PAST, people have compared it to (first) amphetamines, then (later) psychedelics, but, like the girl above mentioned, those drugs are inherently euphoric and positive. It was discovered that NMDA antagonists share much more in common with schizophrenia.

 

I never ever said to go off your medication etkearne.
You're very hostile and defensive. It's unnecessary here man, this is written word on the internet. Even if someone is coming at you aggressively, which I'm not, they can't do anything to you; besides the fact that nobody could force you to change methods of handling your schizophrenia. And I've already said that individuals have different responses and reactions and treatments.
Like I said etkearne, it's okay to relax a bit. It's really helpful actually!

 

Actually, I am NOT being hostile, whatsoever. I simply find it most advantageous to express myself in a very concise, emotionally flat, manner. It can be taken as being hostile, but it really is not. I like people to know exactly what my view is on things and know exactly what I am trying to convey.

I am quite relaxed internally, and frankly, that is all that matters to me. I am currently watching baseball and sipping on a Coke. I feel no aggression whatsoever. The internet presents the reader the opportunity for their own interpretations of the person with whom they are arguing. When I enter into an argument on the internet (and by argument I don't mean an emotionally charged argument, just a debate on the clashing of viewpoints), I do not try to get to know the personality of the opponent. I simply present my case and counter to what was written by the opponent.

This is simply how I behave on the internet. There is really no hope to forming deep relationships through such a 'detached' medium, so I do not use it for such purposes. However, I enjoy every interaction I have online, be it debating or simply making small talk. In fact, if it weren't for people like you, I probably would become too bored and would lose such a valuable boredom-ceasing tool.

I hope that helps explain my behavior.

 

etkearne, i hope that you are managing well. having schizophrenia and a mood disorder must be difficult. peace and love to you man

 

no, i was just throwing that in there. i was tripping and it was a random thought that ended up in here. i have been diagnosed with schizophrenia ddog so i was just talking. sometimes people just talk. like you don't live in a world.

 

etkearne, is one smart dude..

 

I know right.