Who is your Favorite Communist???

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Red_Army, Jun 5, 2005.

  1. Comrade Stalin Guevara

    Comrade Stalin Guevara Member

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    No i belive and have read facts to say that zionist killed jews along with hitler ie,
    rotchchilds federal reserve funded nazi germany.
     
  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    dun du dun, internet conspiracist has been shown
     
  3. Floyder

    Floyder Member

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    I'd have to go with chairman Mao. He was trying to bring communism to the next level.
     
  4. Kather1ne

    Kather1ne Member

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    Really?

    Not so much.

    Socialism can definitely work in a democracy... actually, it might work the best in one.
     
  5. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Barack Hussein Obama appears to be the most effective to date, and without any bloodshed I'm aware of so far.

    Socialism is quite easy to accomplish within a democracy, all you need to do is to create a population in which the providers make up the minority and the dependents are the majority. Of course you then have to keep the providers from emigrating elsewhere. A one world government might be the solution to that.
     
  6. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

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    Calling Stalin a communist is like calling Pontius Pilate a Christian.
     
  7. wolf_at_door

    wolf_at_door Senior Member

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    So you mean that Obama is a socialist because he gilded capitalist speculators with 3-cifred (closer to 4-cifred millions of dollars) to bring them up at feet again, instead of spending the same horrible amount at those who the banks were ruining?

    If Obama was a socialist he would have been nationalized these banks - that obviously can't stand on their own legs.
    Then the banks would at least be for peoples good instead of speculators.

    love,
    -wolf-
     
  8. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Are you claiming he's a capitalist? Analyze closely what he is doing, look at the economy, and look at where priorities are being focused. Where has stimulus money been spent, and how many jobs has it created so far? What laws were broken causing the banking failures? Who makes the laws?

    IF? What would you call him? Do you really believe nationalizing the banks to be a good idea? How about instead, making money once again have some intrinsic value? Are those who defaulted on their loans guiltless? Perhaps a law should be passed making it illegal to force persons to borrow money?
     
  9. wolf_at_door

    wolf_at_door Senior Member

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    I'm not talking about illegalizing any sort of private enterprise. I'm only suggesting the government (which administration imo instead should be replaced by The Communities) should buy up all enterprises up that cracked in the aftermath of the financial crisis.

    IMO it's SUCH a backward idea that nationalizing is a violent act toward the freedom establishing enterprises.

    All I question is:
    Why should the people not be allowed to compete with these socalled free "enterprises"?
    I mean, hypothetically, the government aughta be representatives of the people, right?
    So, hypothetically, if the state is buying a ruined bank - which will be a nationalizing in my definition - what would be wrong about that?

    That would not dispute the right of running free enterprise, and that would not violent free competion, since that would only mean that all the people agree to share in a bank by voting into the political system.

    I don't see any reason to violent the socalled "economic nature" by political means by that reason.
    All I say is that the state (that I wished were "the communities") not only have the right, but first of all - the OBLIGATION to buy all shipwrecked enterprises, to build up these enterprises up again for THE PEOPLES benefit, and thereby avoid new financial crises of the future.

    New thinkings in socialism is the solution of prosperity of mankind/species/world for the future.
    Capitalism told us to bring us all these things for decades.
    Have anybody seen them?!
     
  10. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Ok, if you are okay with the government buying up enterprises that are failing financially, how about the take over of the largest financial failure, the U.S. government? China is currently posting a 7.9% economic growth in the second quarter compared to a year ago.

    Have you received your share of stocks in GM or Chrysler yet? I suppose only UAW member taxes were used to bail them out? Allowing the UAW to be the primary beneficiary in those cases.

    The governments power over the people increases as the government gains control over greater portions of our lives, and as it is already in debt beyond what many generations could ever pay back, it will at some point have to begin taking more and more from the people or simply fail completely. Currently many new forms of acquiring funds are being implemented, Cap and Trade, Health care, and more will soon come. Everything under government control requires government funding, and the government produces no profit making products at all, but instead relies on the working population to provide it. Not to mention that the government has to grow enormously in order to oversee the programs it runs. Yes, Obama is creating jobs, government jobs. Have you bought any of their products lately? If you support the changes of the Obama administration, you have bought the only product they offer and that is their political rhetoric, and it is something that is billed perpetually, generation after generation.
     
  11. PureMDMA311

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    soddam husane for trying to be the middle east hittler GO SODDAM!!!
     
  12. dirtydog

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    I think Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovich Bronstein) would have to be up towards the top, despite his shameful suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion. Trotsky was the President of the Petrograd Soviet (1917), the Chairman of the Military Revolutionary Committee (1917), the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union (1917), and the People's Commissar of Army and Navy Affairs during the Russian Civil War (1918 - 1921). That is, he was Commander of the Red Army.

    He fell out with the Stalinists and was exiled to Kazahkstan (1928) and then Turkey and elsewhere (1929-1940). During his exile he produced the definitive works, "History of The Russian Revolution" (1930) and "The Revolution Betrayed" (1936). He was murdered by an NKVD assassin (Ramon Mercader) in Mexico in 1940.

    More to the point, Communism suffered from the contradiction that it was not supposed to be about leaders at all. It was supposed to be a class struggle of workers against bourgeoisie. In practice it has always been top-heavy with leaders and generals. Marx would have been disappointed to say the least.
     
  13. Individual

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    Except for Castro, all the choices are dead. Wouldn't it make more sense to be talking about living persons, who are more likely to be able to have an impact on life today?
     
  14. dirtydog

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    It is debatable whether Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao of China can be considered Communists. It depends on whether you consider the Chinese Communist Party to be communist in the traditional sense. I think Mao would have trouble with these capitalist roaders if he were around today.

    Kim Jong Il of North Korea might be considered a communist for those who agree with the Stalinist model. This guy is not exactly a trade unionist. Mussolini would feel at home with him.

    Fidel Castro of Cuba is retired. His brother Raul carries on the tired tradition. Castro very nearly started WWIII back in 1962, as you may recall. See McNamara's memoirs, "In Retrospect", for a review of how close we came to nuclear war due to Castro and Khruschev, or watch the movie "Thirteen Days". Americans haven't forgotten any of this.

    Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Evo Morales of Bolivia do not call themselves communists, but they carry on a healthy Latin American nationalist tradition. Rumour is that some North Americans don't like them.

    The government of Vietnam keeps to itself these days. It drove the Khmer Rouge out of power in Cambodia in 1978 and repelled a Chinese attack in 1979. (For some reason I haven't figured out, China supported the Khmer Rouge.) It made free market reforms in 1986. I had to look up in Wikipedia to find the name of their Premier. That means he's not at war or threatening anyone.
     
  15. Comrade Stalin Guevara

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    hugo chavez as a statesman
    stuart christie as a revolutionary
    immortal technique is good

    apart from that theres only the revolutionarys in nepal who spring to mind for todays world
     
  16. BigCityHillbilly

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    I don't have a favorite communist. Communism sucks.
     
  17. Comrade Stalin Guevara

    Comrade Stalin Guevara Member

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    hillbilly stay off the net and look after your sister/mother
     
  18. Kohhna

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