Didn't say they did. I was answering the question "When a theist is asked, "Who created God?" the answer is typically "No one, He has always existed." Well then, why can't the same answer be applied to the question, "Who created the Universe?"" I merely pointed out that the Universe is considered to have a beginning and God is considered not to have one, so the same answer does not seem to apply to both.
Usually I say "The Universe" instead of God for the simple fact that I've had the word "God" used as a weapon against me too many times. I have found that I have met very few real "Athiests" it seems to me that most people who refer to themselves as such believe in God it just isn't the god that has been presented to them by conventional religion. To further my own theory on God to me it is the natural order that keeps The Universe running in order. There is proof in that. Check out "The Golden Ratio". This is a non repeating decimal that can be used to explain the structure of DNA, Fractal Geometry, Where branches grow on trees, Planetary Orbits, etc. Peace OUt, Rev J
http://obczaj.net/obrazki/89646.jpg I saw that recently, and found it interesting that still, he was thinking about God. It made me think maybe we are God and that's what we're talking about. We're always looking for ourselves and there we are. 'Cause we just can't believe we're that special, 'cause of whatever... Maybe 'cause, so many years ago, some ape clubbed some other ape over the head. And if we could only feel special again, then everything would be ok.
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." - Psalm 82, verse 6. 3,000 years ago we could believe, then. By the way, the picture reminds me of the title of a Hawkwind album, Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin))
God is you and me and everything. You could say I believe in collective consciousness. I believe that, in essence, we are all the exact same person experiencing life in countless forms at the same time. It seems crazy but I have my reasons...
Well System your post reminds me of a Bill Hicks Routine, "Young man on LSD discovers that all matter is vibrations slowed down, we are just one conciousness subjectively experiencing itself, Life is just a dream and there is no death. Now here's tom with the weather." To me this pretty much sums up alot of my arguements. Peace Out, Rev J
I see God as an extension of our highest potential. I am God, just as you are, and anyone else. God is a symbol to me. He symbolizes this highest potential in ourselves. And really, we are making everything possible through our self-awareness and faith in ourselves.
Another two-year-old thread that I'm just getting around to noticing. Lots of ideas presented. IDK - Guess this guy pretty much said what I feel: I definitely am anti-religious - most religions being the bane of humanity and their followers being quite hateful, spiteful, self-righteous, self-serving and narrow. (Sorry, you have to be an Atheist being threatened with bodily harm by a "Christian" to appreciate where that comes from. Or, live in the US where your supposed secular laws are enfluenced by the Judeo/Christian mindset that homosexuality is a sin. Forget the Moslem countries - homosexuals don't "live" there, just as in some of the more backward places here - Wyoming.) IMAGINE! (says it all as regard to religions)
This God idea: Is there something benevolent about an alleged supernatural being that brings you into the world while imposing extreme pain on your mother, and then eventually comes around and strangles you to death like a hit man or imposes one of the other brutal forms of death we are forced to experience?
God, aka Yahweh, is the protagonist in a number of 2000+ year old fictional tales known collectively as The Bible. His personality varies wildly from story to story, suggesting either a) he is bipolar or b) these stories are an unrelated hodgepodge of primitive myth and superstition.
How interesting it is that so many feel so compelled to show off their independence by declaring how they don't believe in a God. It's like when young children have to show that they can tie their shoes all by themselves and don't need their parents' help. Not only that, but they smugly proclaim that they know the truth and everyone else is simply deluded. It makes you wonder who they're trying to convince.
Was that directed at me? The title of the thread is, "Who is God to you?", not "Who is God to you? And please only respond if you are a true believer and accept Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior." I mean, if that was the OP's intent then I apologize as I slowly back away from this thread. However, I was simply replying to the OP's question, which I'm entitled to do as a registered member of this forum. But your reply leads me to some questions for you. What compelled you to chastise me and compare me to a child? You don't know me, nor do you have any insight into my intentions or character. Why do so many people of faith feel the need to lash out at those with opposing opinions as to the nature of god and religion? It speaks to a deep seeded insecurity in my opinion. What I believe shouldn't matter to you at all, and is in no way a threat to your belief system. To each his/her own, I say. It's funny, but sometimes it seems atheists are often more Christian towards others then Christians. Judge not, lest thee be judged thyself. Isn't that in your book? (I realize I'm making an assumption as to your particular religious affiliation. Please feel free to insert your particular deeply help superstitious belief system where ever I write Christian) I'd also like to add that I was not smug, nor did I suggest anyone who believes is deluded, however true that may be. Funny you should mention truth, though. Isn't that what the religious do every day? Proclaim they know the truth? I mean, really. Did you think at all before writing THAT sentence? And ironically, the content of your post makes me wonder who you're trying to convince. Can you see that? Can you see how your ENTIRE post can be applied to yourself? Probably not, which is the richest irony of all.