Which is more intense: Salvia or DMT?

haven't tried dmt, yet when I think back to the day of my strongest salvia experience... it was nowhere near my acid or shroom experiences. and I had some pretty inttense ones, especially one night at a secret goa trance party atop a mountain: I've eaten some pretty shrooms nine hours after I took acid and it kicked back in with the shrooms. wow..

yet, I say, salvia is something totally different. "it's like peaking on acid within a few seconds." said Share The Warmth, concerning DMT. if that is so... salvia must be something MUCH more intense than dmt.

when I have taken salvia back some months ago, and fell totally into that void; I was no more. experiencing the Nothingness of the time, maybe billions and billions of years ago, when there was not even Time yet, and being caught in that Nothingness, for millions of years it seemed to me, being Nothing within that chaos...

even though my experience was so intense that I cried for mercy at the time, I love salvia and the dear Shepherdess

I wish to try dmt sometime, I'd love to see what dimitri has to offer me; and I really do not that much mind which one is more intense or not

 

Having tried both I find that salvia is more disorienting. What happens is like getting lost in a very vivid daydream. I have never experienced much by way of visuals but the come on is often unsettling. There is a nice, smooth after glow afterwards that lasts for about two hours however. DMT is quite different, in that I do not lose my bearing, despite the fact that I am ovewhelmed with all kinds of unusal thoughts and insights. The visuals are quite spectacular and surpass anything I ever seen on shrooms or acid. I have to say that DMT is far more interesting as it allows you to keep a lucid mind while probing it's wonderous depths. As another poster said the effect of salvia is somewhat akin to PCP in that it's effect feelss more stuporific than psychedelic. It's good for a thrill the first few times but then soon wears out it's usefulness.

 

DUDE! My friend had a conveyor belt type salvia trip yesturday! he said he got 100% ego death and thought he was a pile of trash going down like an assembly line.

I have done Salvia 4 times but only gone out of body once and that was like 3 days ago. I want to do DMT but I'm only 15 and I dont think im ready for that.

 

It depends how you define intensity. Having done both multiple times salvia removes you farther away from reality than dmt, Dmt feels like it moves alot quicker though.

I will say anyone comparing salvia to LSD, mushrooms and especially pot has not had a true salvia breakthrough.

 

Dmt for me, was a faster "rising" then salvia. but its also more serene of a comeup compared to salvia,with salvia I felt fearful at loosing myself. but with dmt your astonished and you want to see more.
You hear a tone rising in intensity, like a bubble stretching about to pop.
then by the time that starts happening your vision is shifting and warping and vibrating. by this time you havent even fully come up,but at this point its best to close your eyes.
and then, rising up above me i saw what i can only say was the most amazing tryptamine fractal. it looks something like looking up and seeing a dome shaped prismatic colored geometric pattern shifting and constantly changing and throbbing with energy. but i wouldnt call it GEOmetric there needs to be another word for it like hypermetric shapes or something.
Chrysanthemum is a good way to describe it,but in the center of this thing you can see the fractal kind of trail off,as in get darker and less defined.
by the middle of your trip something odd starts to occur.
rising up from inside of you,what feels like a bubble of an intention comes up from your lower body and then comes out of your mouth.
and when this bubble of intention that you somehow understand.
comes out it comes out is the same sort of hyperdimentonal colorful fractal like,but not quite fractal colors/shapes it literally looks like a psychedelic symbol language.
and then just as quickly as it came on you start to come off and your babbling seemingly incoherently about the absolutely astonishing thing that just happened.

Also,the body "high" of dmt is much more enjoyable/ pleasureable then salvia. it actually feels better then mdma or mda but thats just me.

salvia is.. well it just gets weirder and wierder
you hit it,and you hold it in.
you feel it enter your bloodsteam and you feel the "waves" moving in.
you exhale and by that time,your already like "woah"
then it can do a number of things to replace your reality with another.
it can unzip you into it.
it can catch you "at an angle" and you move through the space between the two angles where they meet.
it can also cause you to be "conveyor belted" into it. like if your laying on your bed you feel like your being pushed into something/somewhere
or you can end up staring at "planes" or different fabrics or reality.
and when i say fabric, you SEE it. and you even feel it.
you can have a good ole laughing trip.
or you can have a super fear driven ego death.
and the dose range between the two isnt very large for smoked salvia extract.

the visual part,is hard to explain but you see these "squiggly lines" as you come up,closed or open eye i have seen them both ways. and these lines look like the folds between realities..
but it gets stranger.
when you are fully immersed in it,you do see colors. reds deep indigos and azure or cerulean blues and like.. amorphous shapes theres no one "shape" or fractal i can put it to,its more of an awareness of the fabric of the space, and you don't remember you have taken anything.
you take it,and then eventually you wake up and realize you have been staring at something incomprehensible for like 10 mins.
and while that was happening you realize that you were no longer "you"
and that you completely lost yourself in this crazy place.

when you wake up from dmt or salvia.
you feel like you have just been born into the world again.

 

^Yah you summed it up pretty well.

At this point in time there is something about Salvia that feels completely alien to me. I don't mean that in any sort of entity sense or anything like that but I feel as if my chemical and genetic makeup doesn't respond to it. It feels outside of the human makeup as where DMT eventhough it's quite powerful feels like some sort of extension that's in tune with the human body and mind. I think it's going to be on the 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule' video but they talk about how people used to smoke DMT in the 60's but it didn't really register with them then like LSD did, that's almost how I feel about salvia now, there is some sort of limitation in our technology, collective unconscious or whatever that doesn't accept salvia like it does DMT. At the same time Salvia doesn't really feel toxic to my being.

 

Great salvia description halls.

Everytime I think of my salvia experiances... I think of a compleatly different reason it terrified me lmao!!

Here's the lates one... when you take a drug... you come up... you plateu... you come down. It's thew drug that activates and wears off in it's own time.

But with salvia...when I get back from the breakthrow level... both times I have crawled up out of some object in the room (in my head, really I was just sitting there staring blankly) and I did not show any physical signs of awareness untill I
A. Ran/Escapes from the salvia realm willingly (or was allowed to leave)

then

B. Actually observed myself crawling back into my body where I was sitting.


Only after that did I wake. Why the fuck did the trip end only when I took those actions willingly in my dream state? It did not just wear off... I crawled out, jumped back into my body.. and only then were mind and body reunited.

It baffles me. So fucking creepy.

 

salvia in my opinion is far more intense. DMT is like being embraced by your mother when your 6 years old. DMT is loving and comforting. While it is no doubt intense, the intensity is managable. Salvia is in every way more intense. Salvinorin A has a much smaller dosage needed. you measure it in micrograms. if you smoked 60 mgs of Salvinorin A, ..... I dont even want to imagine that. The effects also are alot more harsh than DMT.
DMT I will smoke without giving it too much of a second thought. It takes ALOT more to convince me to smoke Salvia....

 

DMT blows my mind! Salvia just fucks my head all up and I always wonder why I smoked it again.

 

It's like Salvia takes me deeply inward into the depths of my subconscious, complete with non-Euclidian geometry and visits to childhood neighborhoods i literally haven't seen in decades.

It's like DMT is the ultimate and endless mind expansion, truly and literally.

Salvia pushes the bizarre meter more firmly into the red than DMT, but DMT has in inherent energy, vibrational and mystical aspect to it (for me) that will always make it the most intense entheogen in existence.

Thank all that is good and novel in this Universe!

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat,
Purrrr!

 

They are definitely equally as intense in almost opposite ways...

Even though DMT can be unpleasant on the come up, salvia beats it out of the water by x1000 hands down for the "terror" factor.

Anyone who is saying "DMT is way more intense" has not experienced a true salvia breakthrough. The reason why so many people don't is because the first time you try salvia its hard to get strong effects and many just feel "drunk" or lightly tripping.

The only thing they share in common besides their intensity and duration is (as someone else mentioned) the fact that you feel reborn after coming out of both experiences - but in totally different ways.

DMT feels more like "I've been blind to all of this beauty my whole life!", and salvia is more like coming out of the worst nightmare you couldn't even conceive, and once reality forms back you're just thankful to "have it".

 

Let me start by saying that you have the coolest image on the bottom of your posts Magical Mystery Tourguide. Salad fingers is FUCKING RIDICULOUS and will surely fuck with your mind both sober, and on substances

I thought I'd throw my contribution up here. I know a certain someone who ordered some mimosa hostilis bark from a South American country before doing some rudimentary chemistry to extract DMT, then recrystallizing for a purer product.

It was a pretty intense experience. Felt kind of like breaking through a wall in life and finding yourself in the presence a far greater intellectual entity.

For me, DMT produces stronger effects, but I will agree with many others on here and say it's very difficult to compare the two side by side.

Lastly, I forget who the poster was, but I agree it's fucked up that some things are legal while others are not in the States. Alcohol=far more destructive, causes far more problems, ruins far more lives.
People kill people and ruin lives while drunk. When my friends and I get high, we are more likely to have an intensely deep conversation, enjoy some good music, and walk or longboard for slurpies.

 

And salvia is like breaking through the floor in life and finding yourself in the presence of an absurd subterranean deviant that wants to syphon you into something terrible and not remotly human for reasons that are never revealed.

 

Depends on what your definition of 'intense' is.

DMT is intense because it is pure awe, wonder, and knowledge.

Salvia is intense because it is pure terror.

 

Some of you people saying salvia is pure terror and a nightmare need to smoke some more salvia. It makes me nervous everytime I do it because its more unpredictable to me than dmt, but it can be absolutely beautiful as well.

 

DMT is wonderful what are you guys on about. Salvia above 20X has a hellish body vibe coupled with ridiculous distortions of anything remotely resembling reality.

The vibes coming off dimitri are beautifully alien yet inescapably familiar imo

 

Maybe i should add 5-meo-dmt in the mix..I read 5-meo-dmt is suppose to be the most intense of them all, more intense than salvia and dmt..Anybody care to comapre the intensity of 5-meo-dmt to dmt and salvia ?

 

I would personally consider DMT as salvia's cracked out uncle.

 

I hearded it was more like salvia's nicer cousin?

 

Salvia is DMT's younger mentally-retarded brother. It doesn't compare in anyway whatsoever