Where is the human race headed?

Technology and the market, they do appear to go hand in hand together. And of course, why wouldn't they? Afterall, the incentive to create new technologies is to :

1. Make manufacturing of goods more efficient and thereby lower costs
2. Create more new-junk-that-we-don't-really-need so they can sell and make more money
3. Create weapons of war to steal the resources of other nations, create a workforce that will work for pennies and finally to restructure their market place into a more exploitable model.

The big threat today is the bees and from some of the stuff I've read, we've got 5 to 10 years before it's game over for humanity. Bees are responsible for the pollination of 80% of all food on this planet. But I suppose RyGoody's solution will be to create robot bees to replace them. And then having done so, declare it a victory for modern technology.

Bees have been on this planet for more than a million years and they have every right to live. They are social, have complex communication, have an intelligence that many speculate is comparable to dolphins and are the only insect that produces a food source that humans consume.

Regardless of if you're an atheist or a believer in God. If we force the bees into extinction, humanity will have spat in the face of creation. And as such, our species will become an abomination in the universe.

But then again, we've already done that to other species.

 

Mind you, we don't know the exact reason why bees are decreasing. Also, like pointed out in this thread every species will come to an end at some time. Of course I'm not saying we should not care about animals extincting and especially not if they would thrive without human intervention!

 

I'm sure it's multiple factors caused by us. ie: the pesticides, cell phones, transoceanic airplanes that accidentally transplant diseases, etc.

 

I'm not arguing against the need for change at all. I am a very RADICAL supporter of progress and changing every single thing about the current structure of civilization. The subject of meat entirely I think is an interesting one. I have my doubts that humanity can forever even be meat eaters with continuing population growth. I do suspect we may have to all become vegetarians in order to support so many people.

Where I run into disagreement is when people start to notion that we need to 'stop', go back a number of paces, and start again from where we were in the 1800's, maybe even the paleolithic period. The current structure can be used to correct itself, and we need the current structure to get to the next level of human existence.

 

Where in our history can you look to figure out how connecting every human being via advanced communication mediums will affect the human race? I am referring the internet.

Let me answer for you, there is nowhere history you can look to figure out how the internet is going to affect us going into the future.

1000 years ago looking into history could give a really accurate representation of what is going to occur in the future. I mean if you were some medieval lord, looking back at what happened to the pharaohs in egypt was something that could pretty accurately reflect your current situation as a medieval lord and give you insight.

However at this point in time, there is no point in human history, ever, that accurately reflects the current nature of our existence. History gives us no insight into what the human race will do and be in future at this point in time. There is too many new components now for history to accurately extrapolate what we do.

This isn't to say ignore history. Certainly there are contained components of history which accurately reflect modern civilization. You could say the ancient roman empire is a fairly good thing to look back at to deduce where the US empire is going. I do think it would be certainly reasonable to expect some components of the US empire to follow the path of the Roman Empire. But even that, not so much. There are way too many new variables at this point in time for that to occur. There are so many more layers of complexity, things are so much more interwoven at this point in time, political structure so much more complex.

 

I could foresee all of humanities food being grown indoors in self-contained aquaponics facilities. Bees would not be necessary.

This actually has to happen for reasons other than the bees as well.

As Jimmy P pointed out, currently the ocean is a huge food resource for us, and we will fish the ocean to extinction at some point.

If we lost the ocean as a source of food and had to rely on growing all our own food agriculturally. We would run out of land. We basically need to be able to start growing food in skyscrapers, within cities. We can't rely on dirt, and natural processes, to grow enough food for everyone.

The only alternative to moving food production to indoor self-contained aquaponics facilities is to reduce population. Which you know damn well people are working on that. Thats the business of the government, there are people out there who see World War 3 as the only solution to the constantly growing population. I think it really is this simple, if we don't advance technology to the point where we can support an indefinite number of humans sustainably, then at some point, we have to kill billions of those humans. The earth does not have enough resources to sustain an indefinitely growing human population, we have to come up with our own technological solutions to be able to fully sustain ourselves, by ourselves, in an enviroment completely nonreliant on the earth. We have outgrown our baby crib that is the earth, it is time to get our shit together and move out. No more lazing around all like "oh the earth will just grow apples and more apple trees for me!". We need to ween ourselves off the nipple that is mother earth and grow up into the interstellar immortal species we have always been destined to become. We need to stop living on our Mother Earth's surface, we need to move out, we're old enough now to start working on this, it looks lame to the other interstellar species to be doing what we're doing, don't be such a deadbeat loser.

Of course the other option to that is, do nothing to advance technology and get our shit together. You the know the people in the government and weapons manufacturing certainly love to start wars to thin the population and make billions doing it.

 

you beat me to this joke lol.

props

anyway.

Who knows? maybe most of us are going to be going to hell and the saved ones in heaven after the tribulation like christian's believe.

maybe we are going to get hit by an asteroid or some other disaster of nature will kill us!!!

maybe we will become space bound!!! fucking learn technology and be having space cars.

the docking lot on the moon for nissan cadet travellers only!!!

 

I'm bored

 

One of three scenarios will happen:

1) Humans will continue to exploit natural resources until we eventually drive all animals to extinction and completely screw up the ecosystems which sustain us. The earth will become a dead planet, we will die with it.

2) Humans will continue to exploit natural resources until, whether man-made or not, some drastic climate change occurs and the earth takes itself back. Humans die because the conditions are no longer favorable, the earth lives on.

3)[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI

 

The big feesh will eat the little feesh, till there are no more feesh.....Poof, the end...;-)

 

"Get our shit together"
I think you're starting to see the picture.

If the establishment controls the food in the way you described. Then we will all be reduced to that of slaves. We will do as the establishment wants us to do or we won't eat. And you're kidding yourself if think there aren't people/forces inside the establishment that are working towards these ideals of domination.

I once met Emmett Grogan and he summed it up best for me.

If there are men that are able to construct an atomic bomb and drop it on innocent people. Then there is nothing stopping them from using our food sources, water sources or even the very air we breath as tools to control us. Remember also that these same men not only dropped the atomic bomb once but twice and then created an arms race. (Iit's been a few years so the quote isn't exact)

Let me just toss in one more comment to get the wheels turning inside your head.

J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb, knew what he was creating and what it would be used for. Why did it not occur to him to stop helping men that wanted to kill on a mass scale? Or was he really that blind to not see that he was opening a Pandora's box that would plague future generations. Remember that his creation would eventually lead to use of depleted uranium weapons and the incidents at 3 mile island, Chernobyl and Fukushima.

As a retired lawyer I've handled several cases of property owner versus tenant. Legally there is an obligation of the tenant to leave the premises in good condition upon moving out. Now let it be known that this legal obligation is based on morality. Therefore as tenants of this planet, we have a moral obligation to keep it in good repair.

So no,
We don't get to dump all over this planet and then just leave without taking responsibility for the damages.

 

VOT:

That's the problem. Isn't it? At least in part? We do get to do just that if we so wish. The appeal to 'morality' can only ever be misplaced.

I am just as cold to a return to the 'old ways' as I am to advance at any cost. As easily as we might imagine world-scale ruination, I can picture a party of such proportions we come to forget what is not 'life-giving'! : D

 

To survive a species must evolve and to evolve a species must adapt and to adapt a species must move past traits which drive them to extinction.

Survival is the driving force of life. Most of us are taking a pretty pessimistic view towards the future of the human race, but what if the opposite happened? What if humanity moved past greed, lust for war, jealousy, all those negative traits unique to humans that keep us in bondage and destroy the earth and each other?

If we can't evolve in that way we will eventually kill that which sustains us, but maybe, just maybe we will actually learn to live in a symbiotic relationship with everything around us, to use technology for the common good, and evolve into a better species.

 

maybe humans are like the guy who quit smoking only to die in a car accident. we learn to live in harmony with nature but then a big fucking comet comes along and blows up the planet.

 

Meliai, we are not evolving, have not evolved and will not evolve out of our problems. This is complete fallacy. There is not one shred of evidence that can support micro, chemical (and ect...) evolution.

Grandpa is not a rock. Grandma was not a microbe.

You are not a through away human that is worthless to the planet. You are a Child of God.

 

Wow, you do type in complete sentences when you want to that make a lot of sense!

Shout out a comout wat latley, my brother.

 

Some evolutionary developments were merely accidental or 'lucky'. It's not as black and white like wiping ourself out or losing all our negative traits, or that the smartest/strongest will survive per definition. Perhaps the survivors will just be at the right place at the right time

Edit: I don't think evolution is the way to a better future. Not because of rambleon's ramblings but it takes much longer for a species to evolve than we need global change to save humans from mass destruction. Although I'm rather confident this will not happen during our lifetimes (unless someone's gonna push the wrong button)

 

Transformation doesn't always take place in consciousness. Unless of course we want it to. : D

Grandpa was a rock, relatively speaking. lol!

Stressing our choice in all matters need not go against what has gone before.

Wat. : D

 

Smells like steamy bullshit to me.