Where Have All The Flowers Gone?

I was just talking to my sister about recycling and what needs be done and how the citizens of this country no longer care. The general population no longer cares if we kill our beautiful earth and how many of our brothers and sisters die over this retarded war. Its about money and power, and that seems be the one thing most of us hippies are lacking. I just wish more people would realize that it takes action , not convosation to fix out problems.

 

Yeah I agree with the action vs. conversation part Joffree. But, I don't think you need money/power to accomplish some of the things we wish we could change. Power is not always brought on by wealth. Few people truly respect those who only have power because of money, and if it seems like they do, sadly, it's usually out of some kind of fear. But that kind of power can diminish rather fast when truths are spoken by someone who is an honest person and happens to get the right coverage and has a solid plan. I dont want to only say it is hippies who are trying to make change, because thats not true but for an example, I'll use them (or actually, us ) as an example. Do you think that as a whole the hippies from the past were powerful and wealthy? Not so much. And during that time, things were even more conservative so it was hard for a lot of people to agree with them and take them seriously but you know what? They didn't care if you wanted to listen, you didn't have much of a choice but to notice them. Whatever messages they wanted you to hear, were voiced loud and clear and because of the huge efforts they made to get it across, it really got to people and made them think about what was really going on. If people really wanted to change, all it takes is a big enough group, a good plan, and trust in each other to stick through it.

 

There are plenty of real hippies left, and there will be more as the years go on. it's all fine and groovy that we're thinking the same thing- world peace. But if we don't just band together and fight for it, it won't happen. We must group together!

 

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Yes ma'am, just what I was saying. Guess I could have used less words, but its cool lol

Like Lennon said, give peace a chance. If we keep saying it wont happen, it wont. The same applies to change.

 

We have to organise a festival (new woodstock) somewhere to get us all together ,to create a common feeling, to generate peace, but this will take some experiance that we can get from get from the old hippies we need to join together and take action and refuse to conform to the man someone should tell the old hippies and see what they think ,becouse they have been their man !!!

 

Don't you people have your eyes in your head? Just to see, that MEN cannot change it! All these revolutions -- how much have they changed???

...You (most of you) live in USA, the country, of which the very foundation had freedom and progress in view. Forgot about it?? But WHERE ARE these most important things, the founders of the USA had in mind?... Never thought about it? Now take some time and try to answer that one.

And you still keep repeating one after another: "Revolution! Revolution!..." As soon as one comes of age (14) he immediately thinks he's wiser than his fathers before him. Of course, YOU will make it! Millions before you COULDN'T, but YOU -- YOU will succeed! ... Now you might need to learn some more common sense before you start. When do you stop and realize, that revolution is NOT GOING to work?
... Suppose you DO succeed in bringing in SOME changes. Then what do you think is gonna happen next? Don't know? Some sleek politician guys will come and make USE of it. And don't forget, there'll be OTHER part of humankind that will not agree with you on what is better... I mean, you just start up by learning some history.

Just spare your energies for something better than that. Start from yourself, make revolution in YOUR mind and try to manage it first. You'll see if it is that easy, he-he. One thing is living according to one's desires; another one is trying to change ONESELF. Try it! It is much more fun than hitting the wall with your forehead, hoping to change the shape of it.

 

We hippies are still around , we are just sitting back waiting for the world to get so messed up that people have to come to us to fix it for them.

 

I want to be a hippy and I want to get stoned on mara - m-a-r-a-j-u-a-n-a

 

i agreeeee!

and to some
you can't just sit there and say 'nah, we can't.. we're all just fucked'
because THEN we are

but if you stand up man.. you can make a positive impact
it doesn't have to bring WORLD PEACE.. it can just be anything positive! any change for the better.. even just getting more people to a state of enlightenment.. opening their minds is BRILLIANT !

don't have any expectations of where this journey will take you.. or you will miss out on sooo much!

happiness isssss only real when shared... so go out, and share it my pretty !

love you all

 

Yeah I mean, why is there even negativity about people hoping for world peace? I mean, yeah, maybe a few of us screaming 'revolution! revolution" isn't going to change shit, but why would that hurt? Why would you ever tell anyone to give up on a dream they have because you decide it wont ever happen? I know that I've heard someone discuss something and how they wish it would change, and I got the exact same feeling. It may have been something I've never thought about, or something I wouldn't have cared about before, but the fact that one person is so passionate about it makes me want to feel like that too, or it will make me want some change as well. I think the more openly we talk about it, the better it will be. When there are so many people you cant trust these days, then who better to hear something from than your friends, people you love and trust, with absolutely no pressure when deciding exactly how you feel about it and what your willing to do about it. If you want to call me young and naive for believing things can get better, then go ahead, I really dont care. I would rather be naive with hope for people and be happy then mad because I cant fathom the fact that there is some good left. And yeah, I wasn't around for some of the things you guys were here for, but why does that make me less mature or less informed? Am I not saying some of the things some of you believed in not too long ago? I want peace with everyone, and I dont care how far fetched that is, the thought that it could happen if we try makes me happy and thats the only satisfaction I need.

 

The fist thing i would do is find every pedro and kill em!!!
then work on the world peace.

peace.

 

Well, because revolutions DO hurt very much, while things in general are only changing for the worse. Just study your history.
And the screaming about revolution is part of the process. Never heard about silent revolutions, you know.

I decide nothing. Dreaming is good and sometimes quite productive and anyway is part and parcel of our human being. We are so created, and i'm glad we are.
BUT. You have seen persons living their lives all in their dreams. While their present prompts for decision and action -- they are dreaming. What's wrong? Because their dreams are so far from reality, that they only hurt them and destroy their entire life. They loose their bonds with the real world.
So: not all dreams are for the better, but only those that CAN produce better life. And for that you can study (again) your history. WHY do you think you will succeed where others all but failed? Just ask yourself, dear.

Exactly. That's what I am -- quite outspoken about how I feel and what i think on the matter. Moreover, I feel that I must say what I have to say. So, just look at it this way.

Well! Young and naive? I appreciate this straightforwardness of the young, naive as it sounds. But surely, you are not naive to the degree of thinking, that those who lived before you lost all the sense of truth, when their young years were gone? You can't be thinking so, for thousands of people have dedicated entire lives to search for the truth...
What I am trying to say is a truth, which isn't visible on the surface. You say you are mature enough? Then you already (must)know, that things, which appeal to our mind and heart -- and especially those with strong appeal, -- are often misleading by their appeal. Simple and sobering! The stronger the appeal, the more need to soberly scrutinize. Dig and study, because these appealing thoughts have often been used to mislead people and prompt them to actions, which they later regret -- and often when it is too late to undo the harm.

And here let me generalize a bit. When young people openly say and discuss things, it is often done with the purpose of finding support in other young ones. Support for the things, of which you are not sure yet, or which you haven't tried yet. I mean, it's natural; but see for yourself if this is your purpose, to look for somebody who would assure you of things you are not sure of. Just because the only way to make sure -- is to act, to MAKE sure. Not to let somebody talk you into feeling "sure".
You young ones believe (and smart ones use it!), that you are strong when TOGETHER. Don't overestimate this one! Most importand victories we humans make when alone. Unless with the support of God above, that is. When you are building up your personality, it is YOUR decisions, and yours only. Whether or not your friends support you is but a second matter. They won't bear the consequences, you know that.

No offense meant by this post. You can continue to be young and naive and whatever you want to be, and who can forbid that?
Me personally, i like these words by the ancient wise man:"Rejoice, young man, in your youth, and let your heart do you good in the days in your young manhood, and walk in the ways of your heart in the things seen by your eyes. But know that on account of all these the true God will bring you into judgment."(Ecclesiastes, 11:9)

 

Aquest, I take absolutely no offense in your response, I actually respect what you said very much. However, I want you to know that I am a realistic person, even though what I said wouldn't necessarily prove that. I realize that I seem naive because of my post, but I am going to explain exactly why I worded everything the way I did. First, world peace is a dream of mine, and as I said, I will be happy having that dream as long as I live, no matter who tells me it wont happen. But having a dream does not mean I think it is achievable, and this is something I know and understand, but that does no exclude the fact that part of my dream could happen. That is exactly why it is a dream, not a plan, or a goal. I also dream of never having to work again, but that doesn't mean I truly think that is what is going to happen. I will never be one of the people who waste away waiting on a dream and I am not trying to convince any one else to do so either. I was simply saying that encouraging words should not be brushed off, and people speaking about their dreams is something that is helpful to listen to, because even if just one person agrees, you've inspired someone, or encouraged them that things can happen if they have the right attitude, intelligence, and ability. I also understand that you can talk about something until your jaw falls off and it wont physically do anything, but the more it is talked about, the more likely it is that someone will do something, even if the original speaker/dreamer doesn't, and even if it takes 20 years. Of course, that is not the smartest thing that could be done, but the whole point of my post (even if it was exaggerated) was to say that positive thinking does NOT hurt situations, it is when foolish people make foolish decisions based off of foolish ideas, that is when problems arise and mistakes are made. I was just trying to encourage people. I would imagine that a lot of hope to achieve something comes from a dream in one way or another, and why wouldn't someone want to accomplish that goal to the highest level of completion, I know I would. That would be like your son saying he wants to be in the NBA, and he is missing a leg and an arm. Someone could say that that dream isn't achievable, and he is wasting his time, but I would say that having such a big dream is good, and it pushes him to go further than he would if he just gave up, and that was pretty much the point of my whole post.

And by saying I would rather be naive and happy, I was not saying that I am actually naive. I was saying that if someone would like to think I am naive, then go ahead, assume away, because I dont care what people think of me and if they want to make fun of a dream then go ahead. I think that it would be more naive to think I truly believe I can accomplish all of that in one lifetime.

 

Thanks for your kind reply, he-he. BTW, have you heard this saying: "plans are dreams with deadlines"?
I absolutely agree with you on the matter of dreams. Especially about how "unrealistic" dream can be a progress-causing factor. If generalized further, we can call almost any dream "unrealistic", because our ability to subject the world to our will is very limited. And yet, men DO accomplish many of such dreams! So, I agree with you.

And peace -- it is NOT a dream. It will be! I belive it to be our future. As a believer in the Bible, I believe that God will carry out his promise to bring peace to this earth. But our part in this scenario is NOT to make revolutions. It is to make ourselves peaceable persons, so we could also attract others to this idea and they would want to become peacable in turn. And such approach really does work! I know many cases of violent people being convinced by peaceful behaviour so much, that they grew willing to try it out for themselves! And they tried and became peaceable themselves, so those knowing them wandered very much. You know, violent nature makes no one happy, especially its owner.
Actually, the scientists who study human reactions on different situations, admit, that normal human reaction in case of violent conflict is -- to withdraw. So, peace is not only a normal thing to dream of; it is a 100% normal thing to live.

 

Yeah, your right too. I understand that words help, but we all know actions speak louder than words. Isn't it awesome how just believing in peaceful ways and passing it on to others can sometimes create peace for that individual? I have also known people who learned how to be better and kinder people based on the example of others, its all a matter of finding a way to achieve it. I didn't know that part about the scientists, thats very interesting, and it also makes sense. I've heard the most temperamental and destructive people say and do kind things, and admit to me that they wished it wasn't like that and the situation could end on good terms, they just dont know how to go about doing it.

 

I agree with jaefoxy about dreams being positive even if they do seem too far-fetched to be realized in one lifetime or too unrealistic for our own personal capabilities... Sometimes, we need a little dream peaking at us just over the horizon to keep on going forward. I see so many people who have just given up on the future and in dejection, are waiting for the next entertaining thing to sustain them. Peace is one of mankind's greatest ideals, if not the greatest. And even if it seems naïve to believe that it might be possible for people to actually be nice to eachother, a little bit of that naïvete might be enough to spark someone else to live their life a little better. Or at least make them feel a little better about the world they live in. Maybe that, in itself, is a little revolution.
A revolution doesn't need to involve violence. The word, revolution, simply means "a big change." The definition doesn't include the means by which this change occurs. Even if you smile at someone, and it makes them feel a little better and then they smile at someone else and the chain keeps going, you've started a little revolution right there...
(Sorry for the long, rambling post. I hope I'm not out-of-place saying this here.)

 

Oh no I don't think you were out of place at all, thats how I feel too. When I said revolution, I wasn't saying some huge protest, I meant everything in more of a thoughtful way than a demanding way, if you know what I mean. Anyway, I do think that when trying to achieve something, whether you call it a dream, a goal, or a plan, it is always better to start small and build on that. Too many things go wrong when people aren't patient or confident, but you can never really go wrong with a simple act of kindness.

 

if anyone starts a march, call me up!

but people still revolt, just in smaller ways. i choose not to conform to what other people dress like/talk like/think like, etc. because its not me. when people ask me "why do you dress/talk/think like that?" i say "why not?"

but overall i agree that some people lost the courage. but when the time comes, hippies will step up and when they do, we can really affect the world.