Where Do You Fall?

m6m, i love you.

 

Well, I must be SUPER EVOLVED. Because I am opposite of what you just described.

 

EGO is Master of Deception.

And our deceptions are never fully convincing to others untill we've fully deceived ourselves.

But, if you smoke enough psycho-active cannabis, you might begin to pull back the drappery of deceptions alittle.

 

I've smoked and tripped enough to realize that it's all one big tragic dramedy, so you may as well have a sense of humor about it.

 

Dramedy,
Great word!

Without a humorous outlook, we simply perpetuate the reactionary monkey mind.

BTW, your thread in the science forum about developments in neuro-cognitive drug therepies was also great.

 

Thumontico

Supposing?
No such thing my friend. Occam does not 'suppose'

Someone makes a proposition. And occam qualifies that proposition
against his understanding and method.

A concept, may be quite rationally possible.
Why deny that it is?
The concept that there is NO god.. is quite possible.
The concept that there IS a god.. is also quite possible.

Neither concept can be verified or falsified.

Thus many simple minds say.. you sit on a fence...wont commit.
Rubbish

Only an EMOTIONAL mind commits without evidence.
AN indeterminate state is not a 'waffle' or a 'weak positon'
It is the only position in this case that stands in ANY arguement
occam has ever had or heard or read.

Occam is an agnostic..And can defend in aguement that no other position
works if we are speaking of UNDERSTANDING.
That is .. accuracy to what is.

Occam

 

Would you agree that your agnosticism is different from the common agnosticism?

I think that most people say that say they are agnostic, are agnostic about a specific god. A former christian has a christian god in mind when they say they dont know either way. So they consider the possible opinion, at least vaguely, of yahweh when they act, or consider the afterlife, etc... This is very superficial and only satisfies human uncertainties and not reason or logic.

You say an emotional mind commits without evidence. The believer feels a certain way, and accepts that as Evidence of god. Its not that its without evidence that they accept it, its that subjective feelings hold more weight than they ought to.

An atheist accepts that there is no god without direct evidence. if it werent for cultural memes there would be no thought of god. the thoughts and sentiments of the people of the past and the present have no credibility, so it is as if god had never been mentioned. the personal and pantheistic gods of myth exist only in people's minds. once you understand this there is no way to revert back to a state in which their benefits can be appreciated... except by some severe blinding of rationality.

You can you be an atheist regarding human myths and simultaneously agnostic about the culturally sterile question of whether some OTHER god could possibly exist.

 

Thumontico my friend

Occam can see the possibillity of 'a god' without any 'memes'
He needs none to see the indicative evidence that exists.
Religious descriptions are garbage. Please do not allude to them again.

quote u
"The thoughts and sentiments of the people of the past and
present have no credibility"

really?.. well jesus buddha and einstein might argue that one.

What is 'common agnosticism'?
Is that like 'common athiesm'?

lol

Occam

 

common agnosticism would be for those that DO NOT agree that "religious descriptions are garbage" and hold open the possiblity of the existence of man made gods.

occam agnosticism would be recognizing that a "god"(of some description) could possibly exist or could not... but in either case "religious descriptions are garbage"

there is no credibility in the literature regarding jesus or buddha... i agree with some of what both of them supposedly said, but i see no real reason to think that what is documented is necessarily accurate.. especially not to the extent to which i would worship them (jesus) or believe the mysticism (buddha). or that they possess a wisdom unatainable except BY their own personal methodology.

 

Interesting...

Yes jesus and buddha may have had delusions.
Have been emotional in their method.
but
You did not mention Einstein.
Method, it works.

Are u admitting there IS indicative evidence?

Occam

 

Libertine - THERE IS NO "GOD".

"God" -

 

Really

There is no god.?

Does m87 exist. and how do you know that it does.
U certainly could not see such with your feeble sensorium.

Occam

 

I dislike the way these answers are worded. Why must one be an "emotional child" to believe that their may be some force beyond our planet that may have a (direct or indirect) influence on life here on earth.

If you think that the very predictable increase in complexity and directional evolution of life on earth started here on this planet in an isolated, miraculous, creation without any precursors or pattern to go by I feel you are just as niave as any bible thunmper.

 

pop3

Who are u talking to?

 

the honesty of not knowing is to admit not knowing. it is not to make assumptions either way.

one god, no god, zillions of gods; all are possibilities. in the abscence of compelling evidence, all are of equal weight.

knowledge is not of course the begining and end of possible existence. at the same time, objectivity IS the beggining and end of real knowledge.

it is also possible to feel and exprience what is beyond knowledge. there is nothing wrong with doing so. what is not entirely honest would be to call knowledge what is of a non-knowledge nature.

i have what i feel to be very compelling feelings. call them belief. that's as good a word as any. that i have personaly met and communed with something big, friendly and nontangable, about which no organized belief has ever described to my satisfaction. it is quite possible that such descriptions are not possible at all. nor does it make any sense to expect them to be.

=^^=
.../\...

 

Themnax

Some brilliant insight
what occam labels in red should be taught in schools

what is in blue is for my consumption only...
it makes occam feel he has brothers and siters of like mind.
Though he has not communed with such.
He has felt such pass by quite close.

Occam

 

I fall into the "Don't believe" category. The people who claim there is one, or more, have failed miserably to convince me, thus I do not believe.

On the flip side, those that claim that there absolutely is not one have also failed miserably to convince me.

However, there are some good arguments against certain god concepts, such as "the problem of evil" putting an knife in the back of a very common western notion of god.

 

Shrimp

Then maybe, like occam you 'dont believe religion'

But...religion is not a logical story so 'a god' may well exist
[or whatever u want to call something that can modify the laws of reality]

Human descriptions of god layed out by religions are , sorry u religious types, garbage.
Both western and eastern.
ALL are contradictory

Occam

 

I'm somewhere in between the first and second choices.
As far as I know

 

...amen brother...