Where art thou dionysian ubermensch, hero of human culture?

Well I think the problem, (your problem,) is conceptual. Forces of decay is a loaded term which is inconsistent with the term creative cycle. In any event of catastrophic decline of civilization there is preserved in some guise accumulated knowledge usually in the form of some code, i.e. the genome and things like the objective art I refer to.

About what? At that point your knowledge would be invaluable.

I hope cultism is no longer necessary to achieve common sense.

 

Nice to hear that Hammond organ (could be a sim, dunno) on the Green leaf tune.:2thumbsup:
I don't want to offer too much criticism because it just gets droll, but all that stuff sounds (ironically) like the bands I used to play in when I was 14-16 ('74-'76) in the Denver dives, (but slightly more progressive.)
You probably would have dug it. I'm basically in the 'put up or shut up' category at this point, If I'm dissatisfied with what's out there, I need to make something better myself. Tell you what, if I manage to do just that I'll make sure you get a sample.

 

You create high expectations now But I'd like to hear it for sure! Anyway, what you said that it sounds like those bands does not really sound like criticism to me, because I don't dig them for their originality or uniqueness or unique sound. I love them because they make the sounds I most enjoy. Who cares about progressiveness (in music in other aspects of our existence I care more about it I promise ) when the groove is right? Same with the guitarplaying on that album of Big brother or Krieger on L.A. Woman (Crawling king snake for example!). It doesn't have to sound any tighter or be technically 'better' because it creates exactly the vibe people have experienced in a lot of moments since it's recording :cheers2:

 

"Better" isn't the word I should have used. I should have said "more in line with what I consider cool and interesting"

 

Yep, it could very well be we simply look (listen ) for different things in rock It could also be the curse of the technical guitar player (or other kind of musician) that he can't enjoy let's call it a sloppier style of playing anymore, and doesn't only have to do with taste! But maybe that's for another thread

 

A monkeys tail/tale would be cool and interesting.

 

thedorp:

And culture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm2vPhcYoXk"]Source Direct - The Cult - YouTube

 

Counter clockwise. Culture is of the cult. Would be no listening to certain music if not for it's fan base.

 

Please forgive me if I'm easily bored. I appreciate technical accuracy as long as it's in the interest of a more musical experience and not just to show off. At the same time I'm also put off by apparent laziness on the part of entertainers.

Possibly, but then again, that wouldn't be music.

 

Yes, you and I conceive of the cycle of time differently. But I would still argue that human's today have achieved levels of technology and advancement where we are like gods in our own right, we can fight death, and we can handle drastic conditions like never before. But we have reached a type of dependence on our technology and advancement that if we were to suffer a similar cultural and societal collapse that has happened to major cultures in the past, it would could result in a type of extinction scenario that many of us and our technology would not survive.

Creative cycle sounds like a great concept, but it paints over the fact that extinction is also a part of the big picture. We can objectively talk about the extinction of previous life forms on earth. But to subjectively experience the extinction of your own would be a whole different matter. As advanced as we are, there is reason to think that there just might be beings 'out there' that are even much further than us---even to the point of interstellar space travel. Likewise there are other beings out there who were likely eliminated completely even before achieving our levels.

Just think, for example, if we had suddenly lost the ability to mine, pump, process, and distribute our natural resources. Ignore that such an event would probably be cataclismic for the human race anyway. Suddenly without oil and coal we would not be able to produce fertilizer, we wouldn't even be able to distribute existing supplies of it. Suddenly global populations are dependent on the natural nitrogen content of the earth's soil. Global populations would starve, dropping from over 7 Billion today, to about the levels where fertilizer was invented near the beginning of the twentieth Century---roughly 1.7 - 1.8 Billion people. Probably, after Malthusian forces come into play---less than that. Think of the death and pain.

You are right though---our genetics would reflect who we became passed on through survivors. There would be monuments that will attest to our achievements. But in a thousand years, after all the metal in our computers has rusted away, and the mass plethora of plastic we have produced has decayed into powder, our distant ancestors will write records of how we must have been visited by aliens because the strange things we seemed to have produced were clearly too advanced for our almost monkey-like brains. Meanwhile, the more rational thinkers will suggest theories that there is evidence of massive populations, because we must have developed amazing medicines from the trees and plants around us---because we had thousands of years of being able to taste different plants and fauna, which must have been abundant (and which we must have relied upon) before the wastelands spread and destroyed most everything.

Invaluable? You mean, it could really help??? Great! And all this time I thought it would be worthless... (Now don't tell me that was not the word you were looking for!) Seriously though---I can stand up and speak, grab my pipe and pray, go up on the hill, and if worse comes to worse---go pierce at a sundance-------though I do everything I can to avoid that... But I can at least try to do what I can to save humanity, so that the next human level of technology is represented by a quantum computer, rather than a pointed stick.

I hope we move on from not only cultism, but also post-planter culture group ethic, dualism, and that we embrace diversity. If religion is to survive too far into the future it must drop its cultish aspects---embrace the purpose of serving as a purveyor of culture, and protector of the connection to our ancestors, and a reservoir of spiritual knowledge and stories.

This is largely what Buddhism has become in Japan---it still provides a cultural unity, a connection back to one's heritage and ancestors, a source of wisdom and spirituality when needed, and an unassuming and almost hidden dispenser of wisdom and cultural values, that makes no demands. Shinto is even more so---despite the regional complaints of Prime Ministers still paying homage to a form of State Shinto. The misuse of Shintoism in Imperial Japan was not a religious dynamic as it was a well-planned military strategy---wherein feudal military codes and mores were transferred to a Romanticized structure of the Modern State---Japanese style. But we shouldn't be surprised----Romanticism fueled similar processes in Europe in the late 1800's into the 1900's, the problem was that, further down the road of the Industrial Revolution, many Europeans had largely forgotten the feudal codes that would have incited them to rise up more---but World War I and II had its roots in all of that...

There are exceptions in Japan----sokkagakai is a sect that is fairly aggressive----like a Japanese Jehovah Witness or Mormon church.

Speaking of romanticism---one thing to ask about your creative cycle---does it too fall victim to Romanticist notions and a form of Utopianism? I struggle with this myself---for example, I think there is something to Hegel's Historicism-----yet it was this very Historicism that fueled Romanticist, Nationalist and above all Utopianist ideologies that carried us right into killing Industrial age style---from Manifest Destiny in the America's to World War I and II, and beyond.

Perhaps, if I understand you, your speaking in more metaphysical terms---but, nonetheless...

 

The Monkey's Tale Bar of Indianapolis
We are a New Orleans style music venue.

Who would have thunk?

 

Dutch? Oh, no wonder---practically English! (I'm joking, I'm joking! Seriously, your use of English is impressive.)

I can speak barely a word of Dutch, and some of my ancestors were Frisian. In fact my mom's father's family descended from one of the Hags that ruled the Hague, they say. (But what history I know of the Hague is that it was founded by Duke or other member of Royalty rather than witches, but...)

I agree---I guess it is a part of growing older that the music you grew up with becomes the 'oldies' but still---I always wanted to hear more of the same stuff...

I sure dug that Hammond organ sound too.

I'll listen to the other ones later tonight---I'm at a Starbucks right now...

But yeah---I dig your posting the music, don't worry about posting without it.

BTW----where would blues be today if bands no longer made it---which is actually a bit of a problem. At least I got to see a few greats before they passed---like Muddy Waters, Pinetop Perkins, to name a few...

 

I couldn't have guessed, oh cryptic one!

 

...Howlin' wolf...cutting edge stuff in their time :2thumbsup:

 

thedope:

The same things from you... Do you want to hear my reply again or your echo? If you can't change your mind, it gets lost. As I said to you, so recently, all we taste is its account. I've never fucked a mother. Are you worried they're no good at their job? lol

Is it death breath? Hence the self-deception regarding 'the part'? Since god's your guide, I've got no idea why you want conversation with me... hang on, yes I do, you've just recently 'p'm'd' me! You want our correspondence published in book land! lol

No, no, you don't have to understand my music, don't you see?

No, that you may be the stranger to depravity you think I'm not!

Or music? Too subjective? The human body is worth our creation! You think it's beyond it, for creations transcending it. So hold by the Apollonian! I do not deny anyone their lie beyond failing to entertain it! :-D

I will move about, it's true. I have glad tidings for everyone! Glad tidings. lol Is that what you call them? I have some of the best things to say! :-D

 

But is your sensitivity Love? There is much not love or "love" that would allow the name to be literally worded. This and that is Freedom Dionysus does not want you to have.

 

I love and am loved. It's my sensitivity, my sensibility, my senses themselves as far as I want their function. Dionysus is no slaver. An idea like every god has ever been. This and that are nature, if you want a duality, you may have one.

Do I love everyone? That's for everyone to decide for themselves!
Do I love everything? No. Not yet.

 

thedope:

We'll just roll you for your sneakers! :-D

 

Ubermensch vs. Ubermensch: your cafe society can sink to the bottom of the ocean. My ubermensch world is for the life of the culture of the justice seeking the notion of God-loving. The slave is only I for I.

 

Sounds complicated. I for I is free from your pun. The cafe society doesn't go with my gut, and I don't know an ubermensch world. You can still see me in the sea though!