where are all the pics?

Yeah they are freaking strong, lol.
But I do hear from people higher up in the chain that it is just a compound very similar to LSD, like LSM or some shit. All conspiracy stuff that I don't REALLY buy, but I would like to sample US wow sometime to compare, y'know?

 

Here; the "silver fluff" I got yesterday.







Hope they show up here.

 

i could believe that. LSM is the one i kinda suspected...


what euro prints have you tried, upperlevel? i've had, in order:
1 hoffman 2010
2 hoffmans
3 hoffmans
1.3 red shivas
1+1 alex grey/ganeshas
2 red star microdots
1 star
2 stars
2 stars

i have 3 of the ganeshas left, and a few of the stars

all these trips have seemed a bit different than the LSD i remember. great trips (unless they were weak like 1 or 2 hoffmans and 1+1 ganesha), but just felt sorta "off." quick come-up, short trip, maybe not as visual....i dunno

 

Only euro ones I have tried were two batches of avatars, a freddys fat cat, and some euro liquid (pretty weak but really clean feeling).
And yeah, the trips are fairly short, except for on my three hit trip on avatars lasted 16 hours. But the liquid I had lasted between 8-10 hours, 12 hours on an 8 hit trip once.

 

^^^so that's, like, all the acid you've ever had? just curious since you since you only ever had euro stuff.

 

Yeah that is all the cid I have had. That's why I was saying it would be sweet to try some legit american stuff sometime.

 

I said earlier how I suspected the blue shivas to be really LSD. After a high dose experience and comparing my many, many high dose experiences to overall clarity and cleanliness I now think otherwise. Even though every batch is different, you can still get an educated general comparison based on the judgment you have had pure LSD with knowing the accurate ug level. I now do suspect they are LSM. Not a bad thing to a certain degree except the difference between headspace and bodyload. But it is unique.

 

What is all this LSM hype about?

Wiki says

Which sounds nothing like these blotters? And I've had "LSD" from a different source that felt exactly the same as the shiva "LSD". Is most "LSD" out there LSM? How do we know? Why do we think this? Chen you say you've done pure LSD and even knew the ug . . . how? You saw a chemist make it in front of you and you ran your own personal mass spectrometer on the substance? Because I trust my source and they say shiva = LSD.

A google search of "DEA Microgram N-Morpholinyllysergamide" leads to no results. If all this acid going around was LSM I think we would know.

Again I think this comes down to the LSD experience being so deep and complex that every trip can be significantly different. I have experienced this on something "as simple" as 2C-B, so no doubt this variable effect is much more pronounced with lucy. All I hear is people saying "I dont think its LSD because of x y z" and x y z are always things that can change trip by trip, setting by setting, stomach contents by stomach contents, etc.

 

are these the blue shivas with the yellow border, or the alex grey art/ganeshas that are sometimes called blue shivas?

what's the diff in headspace and bodyload that you notice?

i've seemed to notice a more confused headspace (could just be due to higher dose of LSD than i'm used to) and more increased body load (maybe also due to higher dose?) - manifested in SIGNIFICANT jaw tension, a mild headache, stomach ache

"non-euro" L didn't ever do this.

also i notice that the come-up is super fast, and the intense effects last only a short while.

in my mind, the euro stuff is either the most potent shit i've ever had, or it's something slightly different.

and no offense writer, but a lot of us have dropped acid more times than you.

 

How many times have you dropped? I've done acid ~20 times now from 4 different sources, ranging from blotters, to liquid, to dosed breathmints. you've said yourself your doses have been confined to the low end of the spectrum. I've done higher doses of both the shivas and australian liquid, and they were identical in effects. There is not one single thing you've listed that makes the doses suspect in what they hold. Stomach ache, headache, and jaw tension are all not only side effects of pure LSD but the first two listed are 90% set/setting. I think this is a kind of online hysteria that people enjoy speculating over the contents of these acid hits, which surely must be anything but acid (even though tons of old heads have taken them and confirmed, they are nothing but good strong LSD).

 

not that i'm trying to say i'm more experienced overall than you, writer, but i've dosed over 20 times for sure. i just counted 18 times since 2008, but i don't have an accurate count from before that - probably another 15-20 times before that. but yes, they've all been conservative doses.

i don't think my headache and stomach ache were set and setting, since it is reproducible with the batch i take, and i never got it before with similar settings. i suppose it could be something i've built up in my mind though...

why the fuckin' taste?!!?

i know this conversation is getting old though

 

Writer. When your getting pure crystal, whether it be from the actual chemist or not which happens because he deals with production not distribution. I'm not here to dicksize on the internet, take the words as you will, as with the research I've done is all I need for myself personally and I share the experiences given because I believe that's what this site was made for... I have never done LSM, only educated research and with the evidence shown it would not suprise me.

 

i get the feeling that chen has done more L than either of us combined, writer. i can't even understand his 1st sentence

 

Hate to repeat myself... (well no not really) but...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

Pretty significant quote here...

I would say i've done voyages with lucy about 25 x in my life, all but 2 were back in the late 70's / 80's. It seems that the big difference between doses today and back then is that they are almost always low dose, in the 50-100ug range.

 

^ Haha. It makes sense. The structure is a bit off and affects the flow when you read it. I was super stoned when making the reply. Just like now. :sunny:

 

Are there any close-ups of the Jerry Garcias that have been spotted in the SE US? An acquaintance has evidently had experience with then twice. Once, a single, which he did for Johnny Winter show (he said it was mild, like 1/4 of the old windowpanes), and again, a few days later, he double-dipped, and said that there was no juice.

So, has anyone encountered them? (note that I tend to discount "trip reports" as 1) they are, by their nature entirely subjective anecdotes, and 2) a great many of them are even more worthless than a typical anecdote) (I mean, seriously, there are some retarded youth from Dumburbia who go on and on (on Erowid, primarily) about "tripping balls" on Bean-O or Milk of Magnesia, to give a couple barely-exaggerated example)

 

It is possible that we are all tricking ourselves into thinking this is LSM and not LSD.
I don't know what to believe anymore, though.
So much talk around the web and people I know about these euro hits and their differences to other hits.

 

I think all the talk of LSM has stemmed from a lab GC/MS test done on the Hofmann ohm tabs in 2008 or so. Some said that they tested for LSM and not LSD. I cant find the link but will keep looking.
Personally ive eaten sheets of the euro tabs, blue shivas aka ganeshas , hofmanns, hoff originals, and the hoff ohms. Not to mention plenty of US blotter in my younger years, cant really tell much of a difference. The euro tabs give some amazing trips, just ate an ohm 2days ago from my rainy day stash and its still all good.

 

Ok here is the GC/MS readout of the Hofmann ohm tabs, Found on drugs forum, originally posted on BL. I guess if you know how to read one of these readouts this indicates either LSM or LSP.

 

do your ganeshas have a 'soapy' taste?

is there a date on the front of the hoffman ohms? 2010 perchance?