Whats your position on flag burning?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by cannabis cam, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    You can 'vandalize' your own copy of it in a safe way. That other peoples reaction (or assumption that its a declararion for violent conflict/war) would make it unsafe is primarily on those other people. And although you're entitled to your own perspective, you can't act like its the other persons motive when it isn't. Well, you can act like that but it would make you wrong, not the flag burner.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    How is setting anything on fire non violent? Everyday I drive my car to and fro across the land, in doing so I set off combustion, or fire, probably millions of times as my engine has six cylinders that fire at from 1,000 to 7,000 per minute. While this is certainly a violent process it has been harnessed to a useful purpose.
    Just as the burning of a flag may be harnessed for the purpose of expressing a political opinion, as proscribed in the United States Constitution.

    Any fire, such as a campfire, gas kitchen range, barbecue, etc. may spread.
    Burning your own property is not vandalism.

    A declaration of war is a proclamation by one national government to another, not by an individual and a state.
     
  3. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    I'm not a us citizen nor do I live in the us so my knowledge of the us constitution is limmited.

    Maybe not in the us, but where I live it is and even more it is also considered fraud, because every property needs to be insurred and therefore burning down your own property would be considered an attempt of insureance fraud, the same thing goes for your car, motorcycle and boat.

    Yet every year there are stories about cars spontaniously selfcombusting...granted sometimes it is because of their electrical system.
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Lol I think that depends on the details. What you burn, and where and how, etc. Burning a flag for protest reasons is not considered fraud unless one is really going the wrong way about it.. :p You really think otherwise?
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So if you smoke a cigarette or light a fire in your fireplace you're guilty of vandalism?
    Strange country.
     
  6. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    I never said it was I said burning your own property such as hous,car, motorcycle and boat would be because they are insured (if you abadie by the law ofcourse), now if you burn your own flagit is naturally not fraud unless ofcourse it is insured, but why you would want to do that I have no Idea.

    Also where I live there are very strict rules about the flag and the use of it and how it is treated and burning it is in fact illegal, but I understand that it isn't everywhere in the world.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    In which country are you if you don't mind me asking? :)
     
  8. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    Technically yes at least when it comes to the cigarette the fireplace is technically arson, but I know what you mean, and I asume it's the same in america even though noone to my knowledge has ever been procecuted for lighting a cigarette.
     
  9. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    I'm in Denmark
     
  10. nudistguyny

    nudistguyny Senior Member

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    If one is burning the flag in protest then personally I do not feel that is right.
    If one is burning the flag in retirement in a respectful manner then yes. That is the correct way of doing it. Many VFW posts etc have collections of tired, worn or damaged flags that they Retire in that manner. Rather then just tossing the flag into the garbage. Which just tossing it out does not show respect for the flag.
     
  11. Asmodean

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    Ah, I'm in the Netherlands. I noticed Americans often mix our countries up :p Something Europeans never do. Ah well, small countries in (roughly) the same area of the world i guess
     
  12. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    Cool, yeah they do do that, it's a bit strange but hey it's alright, we do have a fair amount of duth farmers in denmark though not really sure why.
     
  13. Asmodean

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    I guess they saw opportunities. Farms have grown in the Netherlands, but its a small country. So bigger farms, less farmers. Some who had to stop here went abroad. Denmark has a lot of grass so its good for dairy farmers
     
  14. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    yeah that is true from one small country to another...a lot of danish farmers bought farms in poland
     
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  15. Asmodean

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    Interesting, didn't know that!
     
  16. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    yeah I don't know why except more land and cheaper food for their pigs and cheaper labour...hmmm maybe I do know I jsut realised LOL
     
  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    According to Wikipedia it is perfectly legal to burn or desecrate the national flag of Denmark in Denmark.
    It is illegal to burn the flag of another nation or the U.N. but that's becasue of political considerations.

    As Denmark has freedom of expression burning of the national flag is allowed as a form of that expression.

    Or did Wikipedia get it wrong?
     
  18. Eric!

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  19. lion1978

    lion1978 The King

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    they got it wrong.
    Our national flag is not even allowed to touch the ground.
    It must be raised at sunlight and taken down by sundown.
    when one sees the flag being raised or taken down one must salute the flag and stop what they are doing.

    Sorry for my late reply I was out.
     
  20. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think that flag is important to lots of people.

    When I was young, I even learned that when you fold the flag with a classmate or member of your peer group/soldier/whatever you shouldn't let it even touch the ground. Out of fucking respect!

    I think that helped me to see that we share a bond over that flag. It's the fabric of society. A part of our history.
     

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