What's your favorite moment in history

the end of the 19 th century and beginning of the 20 th century to me was very interesting .music,sports,architecture,fashions,literature,theatre,film,dance ,photography etc all had greats creating lasting works.

 

You seem to think the hideous murder of this woman was funny. You seem to think the release of this murderer by a black racist jury was some kind of joke. You seem to think that having a black skin is a license to kill.

You sound to me like a goddam black racist, like the black racists that acquitted Simpson. I don't have time to listen to this nonsense. Simpson finally got what was coming to him, but for a less serious offence. He also went to Florida to avoid paying the court ordered fine delivered by the civil suit.

Simpson will be cooling his heels in Indian Springs Prison, Nevada, for quite a few years. Good place for him.

 

You could not possibly be more wrong

I think the death of nicole was tragic but not in vain, and while in my youthful enthusiasm I did indulged in celebration (as did african americans throughout the united states) I had an opportunity to reflect on johnny cochran’s plea to the jury, and he was right; it was more important to send a message to the american people on the state of race relations in
america than lock O J Simpson behind bars for life


Hotwater

 

What message do you think it sent? I saw this case only as a man accused of murdering his wife and another guy. I didn't give a damn if he was purple with green stripes. Either he did it, or he didn't.

 

That the state of race relations are in discourse when racist police officers like mark fuhrman
are tolerated on the LAPD, and even encouraged

Hotwater

 

I disagree. First of all, the entire jury wasn't black, and anyway I don't think they had any choice, given the case that was presented to them. The way I saw it, this trial basically had two defendants, Simpson and the LAPD. It was patently obvious that Simpson committed the murders, but a jury can only convict on what's presented to them.

The LAPD (and by extension the prosecutor's office) screwed up everything they could have possibly screwed up. They were a textbook case of incompetence and how not to conduct an investigation and gather evidence.

If the idiots doing the investigation had half a brain, Simpson would have been on death row within two weeks.

I could also add that Cochran and his gang must be the world's largest consumers of Sominex. How else would they be able to sleep after getting Simpson off for something this atrocious?

That's an entirely separate issue, and it's not what got Simpson off. And surely you don't think that's what Cochran was going for. Cochran was trying to keep his guy from getting the needle, and the case was basically handed to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was point out the screw-ups of Furhman and all the others.

 

It seems to me Simpson was sending "a message to the american people on the state of race relations in America" when he hacked Brown and Goldman to death with a knife. And you say you're happy that he walked free. The message I get is that you're happy about hacking white people to death with knives. You were happy then, and you're happy now. There was a black extremist group some years back called Zebra, an offshoot of Elijah Muhammad's group, that was doing just this in the Bay area (California) for a while. Fortunately they were off the street before too long. I don't suppose you heard of them?

 

Come on now you’re just being argumentative

You know exactly what I’m saying; this case had wider implications than merely the death of two innocents.

While I grieve the death of ron and nicole, you have to learn to grasp the big picture

btw: I've never heard of Zebra

Hotwater

 

CBS News took a national poll just hours before the verdict was reached, 75% of whites thought O J Simpson was guilty, while 75% of blacks thought him innocent.

While that is telling and given the makeup of the jury which consisted of 9 blacks, 2 whites, and one hispanic/asian (the foreperson of the jury being black) Johnny Cochran’s plea to the jury which was thoughtful and moving had a profound effect on the jurors.

In plain english he was telling them to acquit O J Simpson, and to send a message from coast to coast that “we’re not going to take it anymore” :cheers2:


Hotwater

 

i've never been to jail or court.and if i was i would tell the truth and not try to wiggle my way out.perhaps this is part of the reason i've avoided the court system altogether.if i was on trial i certainly wouldn't want a jury sending any kind of message.their job was to find quilty or not quilty.that's what i thought anyway but like i said i haven't had much experience in that department.the thought of celebrating a verdict,in my opinion does seem somewhat....i don't really know what the word would be and besides everyone has their own occassions for celebration.mine would probably seem boring to alot of people.birthdays,annivarsaries and so on.....ii should edit this though too.i didn't follow that court case too closely.i actually found better things to do with my time.celebrity court cases don't really interest me.besides i was working alot and didn't have much time.

 

Hotwater:
Gee, I must have missed something. I thought Orenthal Simpson was being tried for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. Period. Where did I go wrong? How come I don't grasp the big picture?

For the Zebra killings in which 16 white people were murdered by black extremists (but O.J. did his best even if he only got two), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_killings

 

It started out that way; then somewhere along the way the trial became bigger than either
ron or nicole and ultimately even bigger than O J Simpson

It became referendum on the LAPD; and with their long storied history of violence and intimidation of blacks beginning with nazi brown shirts like daryl gates at the helm;
they were tried by a predominantly black jury and were found guilty :cheers2:


Hotwater

 

There you have it. The jury found the police guilty (of what?) and let a murderer go.

I only have one more comment. I'll say it only once, and I'll say it nice and slow so that even you can understand it.

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i don't understand it.sorry.

 

Daryl Gates, The Rodney King Trial, The LA Riots,...etc. and the prosecution had the nerve,
they had the mitigated gall to dredge up mark fuhrman from the wastelands of
humanity to testify at the trial

The same mark fuhrman who said “whenever I see a black man and a white woman
together in a car I pull them over” and “I’d like to gather them all up in pile and
set them ablaze”


Hotwater

 

oh o.k. you know i'm interested in history especially u.s. history. the good the bad.racial issues have been a part throughout it's history.....like i said the simpson trial didn't interest me all that much.maybe there was more of a landmark case to it than i was aware.it just didn't seem to me it should have been and i don't want to diminish anyone's opinion on it.i respect everyone's views.i didn't understand the t-shirt logo about 911.that's ok...i gotta go watch wrestling with my grandson..i'll be back later.

 

in 1903 driver horatio nelson and mechanic sewall crocker become the first to drive across the u.s. . the trip from san francisco to new york city takes 63 days....later that same year the wright brothers make their first flight in north carolina.

 

26 December 1991.
Following a lengthy procedure led by Boris Yeltsin, the Soviet Union by vote of its Supreme Soviet declared it no longer existed, and was replaced by the Russian Federation and fourteen other republics. The best day since the Wall came down two years earlier in Berlin. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union#Reforms_of_Gorbachev_and_collapse_of_the_Soviet_Union

"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to." -- Vladimir Lenin

 

It is not legal or constitutional for a jury to decide to use a criminal case to send a larger message. If you are right, then they essentially set themselves up as a fourth branch of government, temporarily. They were given a specific job to do, and they chose to do something different. That is nothing to celebrate.

 

i suppose it is a tactic used by lawyers sometimes to sway a jury however.i think i hear you though hotwater. there have been many cases of injustice in this country....in 1920 in duluth,mn. three men were lyched by a mob before they could stand trial on rape charges.a nineteen year old woman had told authorities that she had been raped by circus workers.the doctor who examined her could find no evidence of rape however.there was a trial for the leaders of the mob that lynched the men but noone was ever convicted.i learned of this case awhile back when i was reading the lyrics to dylan's desolation row..."they're selling postcards of the hanging..."....another famous athlete, heavyweight boxer jack johnson's problems with the law .he was the subject of the play and film "the great white hope".pretty good film by the way.it was a long time ago that i saw it but i remember being impressed with the cinematography....there've probably been many bad court trials for all races but my views on the simpson case are still the same.i can respect what others views might be though too......i would add also about the great white hope that both jane alexander and james earle jones were great in the roles they had reprised from the broadway show.