what's wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control

I think its good you are not a mother right now, I have to agree
Of course, not because of money or being single though

 

saying that id be a bad mother just makes me laugh. I wouldnt be a bad mother...id just be very confused and stressed out mother and I couldnt handle that yet at this age. I did the right thing. I have no one to worry for or to handle or to struggle with.

all i know is when i do have kids the way i want to, i'll be the happiest person

 

I'm a strong, independent and willful woman. I'm not unhappy, lonely, or miserable. I can go out IF I want, I just don't want to. I don't argue with my daughters father over her....he's pretty much not in the picture. I'm happy, ecstatic, with the life I've been blessed.

 

the way this sounds is like, if someone were to get pregnant, and didn't want to be, then they would just dispose of their child? it's not the way nature works.. it isn't natural. i'm neither pro-life or pro-choice as a sole, it all comes down to justifying, but i really don't think you can justifying nipping it everytime it happens. not as a form of "birth control" it makes me feel.. uneasy and sick. where is the love in that

 

That's kind of sick in the head. give her a guilt trip and psychological problems by trying to convince her that moving blob of flesh is a baby then guilt her out of having any choice in her life.

 

That's just sick. No one has a right to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. Even if the person is irresponsible, no one has the right to mutilate another.

 

so you were on birth control because you KNEW you couldn't handle having a kid, but because you got pregnant you had one anyway, despite knowing you weren't ready? sounds fair for the kid.
You look pretty young to be a mom. I'm about your age, childfree.

 

couldnt agree more

 

all i know is that NO ONE has a right to tell me what i can do and cannot do with my body. only God can judge me. in nature, if a female animal cannot take care of their young, they leave it to die or be killed. i see no difference

 

probably one of the most expensive forms of birth ontrol. and really fucked up. it's not all black and white when i comes to someone's choise t be pro-choie or pro-life. plus, no other form of female birth control kills anything.

 

Not because I couldn't handle being a mother....if that was the case, I wouldn't have been having sex in the first place.

And, I'm a damn good mother, so don't go there.

And, I'm 22. Yes, I AM young, but that doesn't make me any less of a mother. And, good for you....childfree, probably what you should be now. :hat:

I still stand by the notion that a woman seeking to have an abortion SHOULD have to go through an ultrasound. It isn't a guilt trip it's showing her 'THIS is what you're killing. THIS is the baby you spread your legs to have. Next time....USE BIRTH CONTROL.' That's all. Women just have abortions anymore because they're convenient....there SHOULD be something to let them know the gravity of the situation. The little bullshit....'Well, y'know....liek this isn't rly wut I wanted....' then look at the kid you're aborting....

 

I hope for the sake of humanity that you have your baby maker jerked out immediately.

 

Certainly more convenient than giving birth to an unwanted child that is not going to be treated right and going to grow up as a burden on society in this already overcrowded world.
And don't even try that 'there's adoption, there's foster care bullshit'. I've had people that were raised in orphanages tell me that they're whole childhood, as long as they knew what it was, they wished they were aborted.

And the plain truth of the matter is, no true scientist or medical professional, would agree that an (early) fetus is a living being. It is not an independent being, and when abortions are legally performed, it has no ability of awareness. An acorn is not a tree.

 

Because that's new.

 

New or not, it's true.

 

And the counter argument is that you do not have the right to tell the baby (fetus, etc.) that he/she cannot live any longer. That is where the line is drawn. If it is a human it has a right to live. Pushing it off as being about your right to do what you want with your body is not the dilemma. The dispute is over the right or lack of for the child/fetus.

If it does not morally have separate rights then others have no basis for objection. If it does have moral rights to live then there is no arguing that you should be able to kill it with the possible exception of it being a serious life threatening issue.

Side Note: I specifically used moral instead of legal because legality does not define morality. Laws and the constitution are written so as to best create the society to uphold morals. A prime example is that slavery was legal, even upheld by the Supreme Court in the U.S, but it was still wrong. We came to appreciate that fact and installed an amendment to end it. So, the legality of abortion is not a basis for justifying it. That would be circular reasoning. The question of justification or non-justification really is a question of whether or not the baby/fetus has a moral right to live. This is the point around which all debate should occur. Just stating that no one can tell a woman what to do with her body dodges the real issue and is a copout to throw sexism comments about controlling women at people who believe the unborn child/fetus has a right to live. If one believes that the woman has a right to do what she wants with her body regarding abortion because of the belief that the unborn child/fetus has not yet reached the state where it possesses personal rights then that is the topic which should be debated. /small wall of text

The animal comparison is very bad:

We also raise cattle, kill them, and eat them. So, maybe we should start our own soylent green project but rather than just using the bodies of the deceased make random people line up in the slaughter house. Or maybe we should use the old and infirm as food.

Furthermore the simply leaving of successfully born children to die because a mother thinks she cannot take care of it is murder. Plain and simple.

 

I disagree here.

In science, definitions are defined so as to fit the needs of those who use them. There is no reason that a scientist cannot define an unborn baby/fetus as a living being unless he simply does not want to. The same could be said for the reverse. The point is that the criteria chosen when creating a scientific definition are chosen so as to intentionally include some things and to intentionally exclude other things. If a definition is chosen so as to exclude an unborn child/fetus as being a living being it is so done because the creator of the definition wished to exclude the unborn child/fetus. There is no basis for saying that any scientist or medical professional who would do such a thing is not a true scientist or true medical professional.

Note: This particular argument is not one for or against abortion. It is merely attacking the argument used in the above quote...

Out of curiousity, how would a true scientist or medical professional define "early"? And, I am not necessarily asking for something which you might consider to be clearly too early but rather more along the lines of where a true scientist or medical professional would consider the line to be. And, what is the basis for making this judgment?

 

FYI i dont even have sex.
the point is that i'm not going to raise a child because someone such as yourself thinks they are holier than thou and have a right to tell me I HAVE to have a child. screw that.

i dont need to have my baby maker jerked out, i'm not a young, unwed mother such as yourself. i'll think of you next time i pay taxes. :cheers2:

 

there are some other easy ways to keep yourself from keeping yourself from getting pregnant --all i can assume is your ignorant --go to planned parenthood and get some advice and quit killing future babies--your last post just increased your ignorant quotient 100 %---people like u shouldnt have kids---youd probaly ignore them and raise the next generation of--think a bad thought here--of unhealthy kids--grow up--your obsivisily tooyoung to even be thinking about it--go to school take a trade class live a little--you have time--i was a single dad and it was hard--although my kids in college now so i did alright--yah yah yah--had to toot my own horn--my kid want her own at 23-25 and i still thts too young--thing harder b4 you end up on Jerry Springer without a clue who the father is