What's wrong with Globalization?

Globalization is going to happen, one way or another, its neither good nor bad,

to answer the original question "is globalization really bad?"
not at all, its naturally impending

people can talk about class divides and social control and this and that, corruption at all levels, warmongering capitalist whatever, conglomerate kingpins that make and break peoples hometowns all over the world

people dont realize this has been going on forever throughout the entire history of our species and globalization never had anything to do with this

a world government is inevitable at this point, weve come far enough now that even those false monotheistic religions cant frighten the multitudes quite like they use too

bah i became frustrated while i read some of the old posts

you all deserve the mindstate you set upon yourselves
as long as its never to late to be where you should have been

 

It isn't necessarily going to happen unless everyone accepts that it is an undeniable fact. Perhaps that's why there is such a push to make it seem as though it's predetermined fact of life. It isn't. Sure there can be global communication and coordinationation, but that doesn't necessarily equate to loss of national identity or loss of control. Only the corporate powers wish you to think and feel that way. That way they can control the world market.

 

What religion or faith are the multinational corporations offering the poor of the world? What promise of a better future do they offer us? Money? Hardly as their power has risen the disparity between rich and poor has grown. If the poor buy into their empty promises they fall into servitude, which is probably what they wish to see in order to enable and further promote their rise to insanely higher levels prosperity.

The poor need HOPE, something that is quickly evaporating in todays society. The rich have quarrantees, the poor continue to struggle with fewer and fewer safety nets.

 

In the states we no longer have a workforce that makes things we are a nation of consultants. Our tech industry is stripped. It's gone off shore. We say we need to reeducate our work force. I ask for what jobs? The opennings I see where I live are for nurses and maids and retail sales. How is it where you live? We developed the technology, now if you have the skills you are sent over seas to train and bring the off shore manufacturing up to steam. Then what you stay overseas to supervise or you come home to what?

 

Globalization is nothing more than a name for capitalism. You might as well be talking about capitalism and its good and bad points. Taken to the extreme and lacking a moral conscience i think the USA will be a nation of the wealthiest individuals and those who worked in steel mills and auto manufacturing will be relocated to japan and china to produce... the world will be economically/capitalistically segregated by wealth. that is capitalism in the end. Or perhaps it will look like american factory workers will moved to asia to teach english to workers to move to the usa to work in factories at a lowered minimum wage, or the abolishment of the minimum wage.. they're the two views i see coming over the next 100 years.

 

thanks to the thread letting people talk how they feel about the globalization which allow me learn a lot from it . For i have no much idea of what ' globalization ' is ? but i think my country is getting very americanized for everything , but we always used wrong way to accept or take the 'americanized globalization ' here . Our govt dont see the other side how badly it is the globalization is now working on us . there r always be 2 side of things . bad and good .

 

i work in a small glass factory in china ( i am chinese ) , badly se how exploited the chinese workers here , i dont like china is turning be to a manufacture of the worl d. cuz we used thoudsands of T-shirt to trade a american made tanks or soemthing Hi-Tech staffs . and i dont like to see the Nike or Adidas ..etc ..using less then 1 US $ pay each hour for a worker to make worth 100 US$ sport shoes . But on the other hands , if those factories all closed , who gonna hire such greater number of worker , how gonna give them money for their daily costs .. i am in a middle right now.

 

Two points.

1st, you're comparing nominal prices and wages, which is fairly useless.

Secondly, its not as if the other $99 dollars are pure profit. Transportation, advertising, final retailing costs, management, etc.

 

And just what are those costs Spooner? Perhaps you'd like to show how Management costs have escalated (i.e. executive salaries). I doubt transportation, advertising or retailing costs have escalated to the extent that they have.

 

Taxes wonder how much is tax


and they want more & more.

 

I can't believe their is actually a debate about this. Globalization is wrong on some many levels. But I must say that is has been happening for thousands of years. It is unfortunately human nature to want to force your beliefs and ways on others. This has happened on different occassions on so many different levels.

If you want to look at people historically, let's go back to..well...off the top of my head...Babylon, Greece, Constantinople, Egypt, The Asian dynasties, etc. People will take history and rewrite it right over top what was already there. It has to be their way or the highway. This is not the first time globalization has been tried and it may not be the last. It's whoever is on top that usually wants to dominate. But still, at the end of the day, it is bad. You cannot force your ways on someone else; it's just not your job. There is nothing wrong with helping, but it cannot be forced. And it must be done for the right reasons, LIKE ACTUALLY WANTING TO HELP! which the US does not!

 

Globalization de-industrialized America. The idea was to get rid of the stinky smokestacks (let the Chinese die from respiratory disease - city air that resembles the famous London goo a hundred years ago.)
What amazes me - are the things that are no longer invented, designed, manufactured in America - the most famous country in the world - for its tv-watching mania - and yet not one brand of television is built there. Not one.
(as Richard Dreyfuss said, while pondering a pile of mashed potatoes..."This means something!")

Globalization presumes mass-movement of goods - literally, globally, rather than locally or even regionally. The 3000-mile Ceasar salad. The 12,000-mile strawberry shortcake.
Internationally assembled autos travel the planet like drunk sailors.
This all uses fuel - a resource which relentlessly becomes scarcer, and therefore more expensive. Globalists use subsidies to make this affordable for them - but sooner or later somebody's gotta pay.

What pisses me off most about Globalization, is the fact that the Globalist's primal wet dream is the thought of India and China (combined population of roughly 2.5 billion) converted to western consumption patterns. They salivate over the idea of a middle class in both of these giants (say - 25% of the population?) consuming like Americans.
That would be the equivalent of the entire middle class of western Europe and North America combined.
They whistle past the graveyard. They know damned well, there isn't enough to go around.
There is a bigger picture. North American students go post-grad like never before (and accumulate debt like bored housewives in Vegas)...and become in many cases hopelessly over-qualified for the jobs they finally end up finding.
Who needs an engineer or designer pulling down western style wages when the same can be had for 20% of the cost 10,000 miles away?

The point is - a tiny minority of people are the ones who benefit from all this crap. The vast majority emphatically do not.
It's no good waving banners about IT workers in Bangalore, or kewpie doll assemblers in Indonesia. You must also consider this:
All over the world, cities are growing like cancer, and their populations are swelling with desperately poor people.
Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Cairo, Lagos, Mumbai, Lima, Shanghai, Jakarta...and on....
The countrysides are emptying out, and populations are no longer dispersed throughout land masses - it is concentrating. Infrastructure, sanitation, health services, education....are just not there for these people. And in many locations, they are an ever-growing majority.
Globalization did this. Does it care about them? Not a bit.

The point is - wealth is not being equitably distributed around the globe. The majority of it is being siphoned off by an elite minority.

 

Do you have any thoughts as to how this should be remedied?

 

When in history has wealth ever been more evenly distributed than at our present day?


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There's all the hype about petroleum usage in global warming, and peak oil consumption and the death of bees...but who concerns themselves with the fact that this global market place also adds to the exacerbation of both problems. You can outsource for cheaper labor and manufacturing, but somehow the goods have to be transported to the marketplace, thus consuming more of this precious resource than would happen if goods were manufactured locally. And there is also the issue of safety.

Lately we have been flooded with information as to goods from China that are corrupted with anti-freeze and other chemicals that have no justification for usage in products that can be ingested or absorbed by the body. With our current war on terror, this would be the simplest place to bring the world giants to their knees, while they are patting themselves on the back about huge corporate profits.

 

there is nothing wrong at all with globalisation - the question should be - why are you shitting yourself at the thought of doing away with national borders ????

 

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When Cervantes wrote Don Quixote, Man of La Mancha, a big part of the Subjects distress, was due to Globalization. The Book laments an old order which has passed. The silver of newly discovered America has devalued
the commodities of Don Quixote's Espania. Our hero is broke.


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Forgive me if I repeat what's been said here, I don't have time to read the whole thread, but here's my answer:

We get screwed as consumers, because there's no competition, so there's no incentive for quality, we gotta take the crap they sell us or do without, cause we can't get it elsewhere.

We get screwed as individuals, because most large corporations demand conformity.

We get screwed as workers, because our employment options are limited, so they can treat us like shit and get away with it, because we can't find work elsewhere.

 

Globalization increases competition. You get screwed for competition by high tariffs and other forms of domestic protection.

 

'Depends on how you define "globalization." I think of large corporate monopolies, but if you're talking about international free trade, I agree it provides more choices for the consumer. 'Course that takes away domestic jobs, and opens the doors to exploitation over seas...