Whats very wrong with all Religion?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Brother_Amos, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Hitler was blind to the divine essence within himself and others. By rejecting God and moral decency in a will to power, he sinned against the spiritual essence of his humanity and destroyed himself and his country in the process. Like so many of us, he was a battleground between good and evil, and his evil side won.
     
  2. stev90

    stev90 Banned

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    Uhm, how can Hitler reject God when as you Christian kooks claim, God was written in his DNA?

    How can Hitler reject God when according to Nigra, "we (Hitler) are part of Him and of Him."?

    Did God reject Himself??
    Besides, where did Hitler's evil side come from??
    :toetap:

    Well, Okie, whatever you Bible thumping hillbillies are smoking, I sure don't want it.
     
  3. MellowMike

    MellowMike Member

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    Simple answer to these questions is that God blesses all of us with free will; Hitler was able to reject God for the same reason you are able to reject God.
     
  4. venom_zx

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    aren't you complicating the argument by answering for someone else?

    anyway...

    what was the point being made by the following absurd statement?
     
  5. MollyBoston

    MollyBoston Fluffer

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    How about if we all agree that Hitler was an asshole, and then hug and smoke a bowl?
     
  6. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    I wouldn't call Hitler evil, but an example of what happens when you give someone who has a family history of mental illness, a methamphetamine addiction, and tertiary syphilis absolute power. If his brain was truly swiss cheese, a result of advanced syphilis, how can he truly be held accountable as evil? Even the Catholic Church has recognized that suicides which resulted from mental illness will not automatically go the hell for their sin.

    Hitler is an example of what an insane person can do when the people believe in his insanity- after all, was it Hitler who personally ran the concentration camps, did he personally force people into gas chambers, did he shoot others? No, there were MANY others (not mentally ill) who followed his orders and committed unspeakable horrors; they were the ones who didn't question why they were torturing and murdering innocent people. Why is it that Hitler is the evil one and we do not hold all those who actually carried out his crimes against humanity as responsible?

    Just something to think about.

    Peace and love
     
  7. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    most of us come here and state/argue our opinions about life. if christians want to do the same, let them. what's with all of the hatred and accusatory attempts to discredit each other? how about some calm, mature, logical, debating? this is an "evil" that is on all sides of the argument. the behavior i've seen from some of the "intellectuals" here is far more immature than that i've seen from some of the christians. that being said, there is much hatred and violence in the bible and if you are a true christian you should have the entire bible memorized. i know this may sound like too much, but if you don't know every facet of your religion, there is definitely some blind following going on.
     
  8. MellowMike

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    Sorry, I didn't realize I was jumping into the middle of anyone's argument... I really haven't read much of this thread. I was responding to the last post, which had caught my eye.

    Besides, It's not complicating anything, we ARE given free will, which is why everyone here can believe what they want to about God and religion.
     
  9. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I can't answer the question about God being written in our DNA, because I don't understand what the hell it means. But I think it's interesting to analyze stev90's response. He takes a statment from Niagra, attributes it to "you Christian kooks" even though she's explained she's not a Christian, and then calls me "a Bible thumping hillbillie" for a view that I don't happen to have. Is this supposed to be a rational argument or just acting out?
     
  10. Niagra

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    Hi everyone... I will say once again ,... and in keeping with the topic of this thread as every post has been about that I have responded too... that I think whats wrong with religions is everything. I personally think they .. each of them are based upon eivil and dictate the will of men not God. However just because I abhor religion does not mean I don't believe in God. In fact quite the contrary.

    As far as the DNA comment... I backed up that statement with the actual scientific studies and data to prove the statement ... please have a look see.

    And yep Hitlers too. Thanks to another responder who accurately answered the question put for and it is indeed because we like everyone have free will to choose what we believe on spiritual matters.

    I argue that all of us have that something inside of us that we have always known was there. It is what brought us to this thread. Some are more in tuned to it then others. Some pretend its not there I guess.

    The something makes sense moreso now to me now that it has been scientifically established that are very dna is encoded on the cellular level there with a message that can actually be read and we all carry the same one. All living things. Which means it was put there deliberately and obviously before we were!! So seems to me like our creator is actually in us and we all are a part of him .

    You can't have a thread that discusses religion and expect christians or any other religions to not show up to the party. I had bragged about how well the topic was being so mature and done without bashing ... earlier. Bummer that it got a bit carried away and well you know.

    Anyway and to Hippie Chick .. although I can assure you Hitler was indeed evil, you do have a good point when you accurately state that at least he had more of an excuse for his acting in his evil ways. The man had a medically induced brain scramble going on. But the men who carried out his orders did not have the luxury of the excuse. And I have often thought about them too. Going to work day in and day out and doing the horrendous things to those people. However, the crimes have not gone unpunished for many of those people. In fact I remember in my adult life when a very older man was placed on trial at his age for his war crimes . They did pay for what they did.

    My stance in this thread has always been to look inside and use common sense when deciding spiritual matters. If you recognize that you have this "something" inside you and you have always known , there must be a god or something bigger than this out there, then you can also determine if a religion is good or not. In my own mind , I say, if a religion dictates killing in the name of God or asks for the death of a living thing as sacrifice to God.. it simply is a facade and a lie .. If you believe in a GOD then surely you know he would never want his creation to be killed FOR HIM. It goes against every kind of love I have ever known or can imagine . Thats all. Common sense.

    All religions have truths and good things on the surface. No one would be in them if they hadn't. But when you look inside, you need only look to the love in your soul to know what is right or not about a particular religion.

    Hope thats all cleared up .. Big hug everybody!!
     
  11. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    evil=ignorance of god, truth, etc.

    if you accept that, no one is evil.
     

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