Whats very wrong with all Religion?

Uhm, if God is real, then God is everywhere, and present all the time, beyond space and time.

Why do you have to wait until you die?

 

We really are just going round in circles aren't we?!

I believe in what I belive, you believe in what you believe. I know what my heart tells me, that is all I can go on. Atheists will never understand that and I am not going to try and make them, just as what you say will not make me feel any different.

 

Or is it because, you have run out of logical arguments to present your point.

In that case, your position is not based on reason, but simply based on blind faith.

 

Maybe because you want me to get riled and argue with you!

Like I said I am happy in what I believe and besides why should it matter to you? Unless you have a problem in what you belive.

I would be happy to continue but this thread, as well as many others, just keeps going round and round the same things so it's pretty pointless.

 

That's not hard to understand, but that conflicts with this:

First, your heart is a muscle, and doesn't know anything. I think what you mean is that your emotions present a subjectively convincing argument for god.
Second, you don't know the truth, or that god is real. There is quite a distinction between "I know" and "I believe." I think that's where the misunderstanding came up.

I accept that there may be a god, but do not believe that to be the case.

Do you accept the possibility that your emotions are just emotions and there there is not nor was there ever a god, afterlife, devil, angels, or divine influence on our world at all?

 

Well what I believe is the truth to me. I believe in God and Jesus and so to me it is the truth. Are you going to tell me what I believe? Just as people who don't belive in God believe that that is the truth.

Secondly, are you serious with the heart? I'm pretty sure you know what I mean!

And thirdly, I am not speaking for others I am speaking for myself. Yes there is the possibility that God may not be what I think He is, but I feel that it is true. What I belive is really down to me, if my truth is Jesus so what?

 

Does that mean, that one who takes no sides, in any discussion about God, know God?

 

I apologize, I didn't mean to rile you, but, I'm surprised you continue to participate in this discussion, if you consider it to be pointless.

 

Well to be fair, saying that I had run out of logical arguements tends to make people come back with an answer.

You haven't riled me, I just got the sense that's what you wanted! No worries

 

adam and eve were the first two humans created in the garden of eden.

the other races were created on a previous day of creation and had been in existance (whether you believe in 7 consecutive 24-hour periods of creation or 7 total days of creation, meaning day 1 .. time... day 2 ... time... so forth)

Adam was the first human created that would carry down the lineage of jesus christ, the first ruddy-complected human, meaning white person [ruddy complected people can show blushing].

but there were arabs , africans, asians, hispanic, before them.

 

To know God is not an intellectual feat. It is a perception beyond the mind and it's dividing nature.

You see things as a whole, with lots of little manifestations of the whole, rather than lots of little manifestations with no clear connection between them. The latter is how most people operate. They can tie a few things together here and there, but are still unable to see the interconnectivity of all things.

One can have a magnifcent body, a quick and powerful mind, and still be a spiritual toddler. That last one is the diamond. The hardest of all to polish

Religions are like various grits used to shape this diamond. They won't get very far with it because they lack what is needed themselves. Another diamond. They can help you knock off the softer earthly dirt, but the diamond itself requires more. Diamond polishes facets on diamonds. Not sand. Not dirt. Diamond.

Thats why I insist on the need of a living master and have opposition to religious dogma based on books.



x

 

blessed be xexon

 

Do you believe truth can be subjective? I do not, and am very reluctant to say that I KNOW much of anything. Everything is a belief of one kind or another, but the difference is the basis of that belief. It can be logical and rational, or it can be emotional. Maybe there are other as well, I don't know. Only you know what you believe, but that's very different from what you know.

Yes I'm serious. I know what you meant for sure, but your wording seems to indicate that your belief is just a product of your mind trying to interpret your emotions, as I think it often is.

Your beliefs are your own. I don't mean to attack your beliefs. Just question them. No offense intended.

 

If my belief in God is my truth, then yes. If you don't believe in God then that is all you know, that doesn't mean you are right. Which is what I have been saying all along.

You make it sound as if I, or Christians in general, don't actually think about what they believe but that they just believe in something becasue they have been told to from an early age or whatever, well that may be true in some cases, but people that I know actually question their beliefs, even vicars I know question it at times. It may not be known in the wider sense of the world to be true, but to so many people, who believe in God - they know to them that it is true, that is what makes faith what it is, that if you believe something it is real to you.

Maybe you are sure that God doesn't exist and that is real to you?

 

No kidding.
Even Charles Manson claimed he was Jesus Christ. :leaving:

 

Well, how do you know that what you see/perceive "as a whole, with lots of little manifestations of the whole" is indeed God, and not something else.

Perhaps, a product of your imagination.

 

I hate to be blunt about this, but what makes you think that only you and those who share your viewpoint is privy to what is and what is not truth?

Do you have a direct line with God?

 

Agreed.
Religions don't get very far and in many cases, is actually detrimental to the ill equipped seeker, or those without proper guidance.

Like a drug, many are hooked to religion, justify their addiction, one way or the other. Others, are even in denial.

With regards to what you say diamonds, these seem to end up being another form of religion, another drug for denial and self-deception, another tool to gain control of the brainwashed masses. So, the cycle goes on.

 

Why are people finding this so difficult? I said it is MY truth, it may not be yours - you probably have a whole different idea about what the truth is. I am entitled to believe what I want, just as you are. And what I believe, I believe - is that ok? Or must I agree with what you want?

 

What you are missing, moonbeam, is the difference between belief and knowledge, truth and hypothesis, etc. There is no YOUR truth. What is true is true, and that's all there is to it. If you think the Rolling Stones are the best, and I think the Kinks are, we don't have different TRUTHS, just opinions. Truth and opinion.

Just wording, methinks.