What's harder to give up - morphine or nicotine?

I've only ever smoked cigs I've never tried morphine. Also never been addicted to either.

I've heard diamorphine (heroin) is harder to give up than morphine but I dunno how that compares to nicotine.

This thread is mainly about morphine vs nicotine though, not diamorphine.

Opinions/experiences?

 

for me stopping opiates was far more difficult to stop than nicotine. Morphine was never my main opiate, but even when i was doing mainly hydrocodone and oxycodone and NOT heroin, it was still much harder to stop than nicotine. For me giving up drugs was hardest in his order: Opiates>Benzos>Nicotine>everything else.

 

That's interesting, although of course one would imagine that the inclusion of diamorphine at all might have increased your body's dependence and made it ultimately harder to quit?

I dunno, it's hard to say without intimately understanding the biology.

 

For me all opiates are harder to stop than nicotine. I could have 1 cig a month and be content.

 

gee....trying to give up one gives you a week of hell where you are on your knees puking with cramps ,sweats ,delirium ,runs.......etc..by that time you have already lost your family and friends and health

the other is smoking

not really a big chpoice

 

Nicotine opiates do nothing for my body is pretty much immune to them. I wish they did something...sighs oh well

 

According to the hard facts, nicotine is more addictive than heroin, cocaine or meth.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/m...to-kickthan-heroin.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

 

Yeah this is the one I read too, that kind of encouraged me to start this thread.

Ultimately I think the trick is to do it sufficiently rarely that your body never builds physical addiction.

It certainly seems they are comparable. I mean Wikipedia has this:

 

Well, I have to say most of the "research" done by 'Big Anti-Tobacco' is completely.... well, just fabricated nonsense. Nicotine is no where near the level of 'addictiveness' as Opiates...in general. (not just morphine...but all major alkaloids/pharmaceuticals) Hell, even pot is more addictive than nicotine.

Give any hippy on this forum the choice between a joint or a cigarette...10 times out of 10... their going to choose the joint...and then when their stoned..they'll even forget cigarettes even exist. (I've actually witnessed and event such as this. It was rather amusing.)

As for the ^above statement..

I have to say this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Addiction has nothing to do with physical dependence... Addiction is psychological... Something that is deeply rooted in the mind. This is why a lot of people become hooked or attached the very first time they even try an Opiate. It's called 'Love at first sight'. Or 'love at first use'.

 

Addiction has a lot to do with psychological dependence, but it also has to do with physiological dependence as well.

If you think that pot is more addictive than tobacco, then you're just wrong. Do you have any research to back that up?

 

You don't have to be physically dependent to be 'addicted' to opiates... Or to 'anything' for that matter.

As for the question... Do I need any? Go out and experiment for yourself... Do the 'joint' or 'cigarette' test. I for one... From my own personal experience... Know, first hand..That pot is more addictive than nicotine... I don't need any 'fabricated' research to tell me how 'non-addictive' pot is... So please don't even bother posting any.

 

Nicotine is hands down very hard to quit but there is hardly any physical dependance. Where as, opiates have both physical and mental dependance. Making it much tougher to quit.
It's like if someone was abusing heroin and another person was abusing cocaine. All the person using coke needs to do is fight the mental dependance. So they could go on living a semi-normal live without too much trouble. The heroin addict on the other hand is basically incapacitated for a week of hell...
My point cocaine and cigarettes > Opiates
In regards to which is more difficult to quit.

 

These things have both psychological and physical addiction components.

It's the physical addiction that causes the unpleasant withdrawal symptoms of morphine, not the psychological

 

It's the psychological addiction...that causes relapse months even years after the physical withdrawals are long gone.

It's the psychological addiction that causes the user to return...even before said user builds physical tolerance/dependency.

Physical dependence is not addiction... It's the symptom of addiction.

 

ok, I never argued that.

I would imagine it varies from person to person.

 

Believe me when I tell you that if it weren't for the psychological, the physical symptoms of withdrawal would be hardly remarkable. It is the nervous energy that accompanies withdrawal that make it so difficult to endure. Few people can't manage a week of vomiting, fever and aches; it is in that regard not very much different than enduring influenza for a slightly extended period. Insomnia, heightened agitation and restlessness, and absurdly alarming anxiety are what ultimately brake attempts at going clean. At least with a flu, you typically are able to sleep off large portions of the suffering, but with methadone, morphine, heroin &c withdrawal you are forced to be wide awake and due to having the senses dulled for so long, the conscious awareness of and sensitivity to pain is in an acute state. It is a profoundly uncomfortable state of mind.

 

Speaking scientifically though, they are completely distinct things.

 

I don't think you quite understand what 'addiction' is. Physical dependence has nothing to do with 'addiction'. It's the result of said addiction...a symptom...Not addiction itself.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/addiction

"Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance."

Hm, although the use of the word "and" is strange.

Ah well, this is semantics at best, not science... you understand that, right?

 

LOL

Again, I don't think you quite understand what addiction is... Go do some research... So...because someone is physically dependent on blood thinners..Does that make them addicts?