What Makes One A Loser?

What makes one a loser?
Being an Oakland Raider fan.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

 

Yes, really.

I promise.

 

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Hotwater

 

how is this not a self contradictory meaning of "success"?

if it brings you no gratification, what the hell difference does it make what you have to show others?

the only success i know of, is the capacity and willingness to share with others and to create beauty and do so with it as well.

no.

loosing, in the most profound sense, is what always comes from comparing one's self with others.
pursuing gratification where there is none to be found, in the belief it is expected of you to do so,
because culturally you expect to find it there, or others expect you to do so.

 

sorry to break the news to you max, but everyone has a different idea of what success and losing is.

 

why would you assume this to be news?
nothing suckseeds like a parot with no beak.

sorry to break it to you, but we were talking about loosing, not the defining of success.

but since you're determined, kindly explain to me, how in any way shape or manor, lack of gratification, in any sense of that word, is supposed to equal not loosing?

 

Well it has something to do with different words.

 

In what way are they succesful? Maybe it is more of a perception issue, but low self esteem seems to help getting one stuck in such a perspective.

Whining is often seen as a loser trait on itself already. It doesn't depend on aparticular topic/issue, like Trump for example. There it depends on why and how it is done wether it makes someone a loser or not.

 

I suppose it depends on your measure of a loser. By my measure, not really. Not necessarily anyway.

 

by my measure, there is no other loosing in a philosophical sense, then comparing oneself to others, because there is no one way, we are all meant to be.
losing in any other sense, is just part of the passing scene, that comes and goes and happens to everybody. along with winning and everything else.

 

voting for hillary clinton
being a vegan
being a member of PETA
not living in california
etc...

 

yeah, I can see this. One of my best friends in the world used to have really low self esteem. Fortunately in recent years she has discovered how wonderful she is, but for a long time I just wanted to shake her because she's really beautiful and ridiculously smart on top of being really talented in multiple ways...but she didn't see it.

uggh it drove me crazy lol. but it certainly didn't make her a loser. It made her humble, although one can have high self esteem and still be humble as well.

 

There are those of us though, that took on the label "loser" and embraced it.

I was a loser at school. Little bit of a teachers pet, maybe. I didn't mind schoolwork, I made my grades. When you're a metalhead or listen to what I do, it automatically will make you a loser on the playgrounds.

Back then, man.. people wouldn't even speak to me if music was different. "heavy metal? ewww, she must be satanist goth goat raping chick" or something.
They use to sing to me "Kill your mom, kill your dad" mocking my music. I don't remember ever listening to a song like that. lol.

 

I feel I was very lucky with my extreme metal taste in 'high school'. It was a small towns school and there were definitely different kind of subcultures among those teens but the metal kids there were not regarded as the losers at all. And yeah, it was a christian school, black metal was the newest thing (together with nu metal. Alt rock was also represented at that school).
I recalled some kid had to leave his shirt home that said 'Kill your idols' depicting Jesus with his thorn crown. Another kid had a Cradle of filth shirt that said 'dead girls don't say no', it caused a big row They were among the 'cool crowd' for sure. I think the kids who really didn't get that kind of stuff and would not make a secret of it were regarded sooner as the losers (among most teens).
I recall on the first school after dutch equivalent of high school I did got some derogatory opinions on my visual connections to the heavy metal subgenre but it didn't really last with the people who were able to look past that, which was not that hard as I didn't really fit the extreme metal fan stereotype overall. I also heavily broadened my music taste in that time so I became less 'metal'.

Oh yeah now that I think of it: among most metalheads in those days goths were seen as the biggest losers (we didn't got emo yet). Black and death metal fans (usually guys) did like the gothic metal chicks though. But never their music taste I guess with hindsight I was lucky in that regard that metal in my neck of the woods was seen as pretty hip by a big percentage of the teens. Definitely the 90's genres.

 

There is also the "Beautiful Loser" thing...

 

It's clearly mostly a perception thing. Not something absolute (unless if we're talking about competition and taking the word literally of course).

 

Or taking the "World" literally.

 

I have finally completely come to peace with being a loser. It's fine. I do me. I have a good job and stuff now so I guess that helps.

 

I must be a loser, as I can't find a lady to have sex with me, including my wife!