What Makes Obama A Fascist

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  1. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    I find it ironic that people call trump a fascist. This term is tossed around like rascist in order to silence and discredit the opposition. I do not know if trump is a fascist or not, that remains to be seen. Being in Canada I can honestly say I know what a fascist government is, we have definitely had that in power and do at the moment.

    Here are some of the things that makes Obama a fascist!

    This is a large part of the problemm. If you search fascist in google, after wiki, definitions etc, you get right wing, Donald trump and republicans. Obama administration were the first to call Donald trump a fascist. CNN and other left wing sources ran with it. Professors at universities agreeing with this. Changing the meaning of what a fascist is.

    CNN, in 2015 went into a tirade about what a fascist is.

    “Trump is a proto-fascist, rather than an actual fascist. He has many ideas that are fascistic in nature ."
    - The superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason.
    - The belief of one group that it is the victim, justifying any action.”
    - The need for authority by natural leaders culminating in a national chief who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s destiny.

    But let's look at Obama. To describe Obama as a socialist is not correct. He is a fascist! Here is why.,

    The left has tried to redefine fascist and left leaning people are buying into it, if you are right you are a fascist. If you voted for trump, you are a fascist. If you are against virtue signally you are a fascist. If you are against the lefts policies, Obamas policies you are a racist, you are a fascist. People of all ethnicities grew tired of his rhetoric and the Clintons rhetoric. All those people who once supported Obama turned their backs for a reason! Not because they were racist or fascists, but because they were tired of a government that elevated himself to the status of Messiah. And now he is telling his old voters that they are racist and fascists for not sticking with a so called socialist agenda that failed them.

    Who believed he was some sort if god like figure, who could make promises to reduce water levels, fix weather patterns, and part the Red Sea as he held his speeches in amphitheatres with huge columns on either side of him. Often looking up and to the left or right as if seeing into the future. Presenting America as a country that must financially support the oppressed people, those who are so called minorities. Telling women, people of colour, immigrants, the gay community that they are the underdogs and must fight against their oppression. If you are not with us , you are racist, you are a fascist, you are an individual, which is according to the left a bad thing and have no right to speak, because you are what we say you are! Promising to fix the economy while increasing taxes of business owners to around 37 percent, the highest in the world while saying he is trying to compete with the rest of the world. As they screamed Trump was not qualified to run a country, yet what made Obama qualified?

    So let's tax to death companies that employ people because this will help increase their wages because I will increase minimum wage so that you make more money while the business owner makes less and has to let people go..

    So obama says let's reestablish the import export bank and we tax payers, businesses will give 3 billion dollars to it, whose interest lies in Africa and are up on more than 45 fraud charges. Good idea! Import export bank is used by I believe 2 percent of American businesses, so how exactly is this going to help your economy. Fact is Obama had interest in businesses that use the import export bank. Import export bank is a classic example of fascism.

    Or how about we sick the IRS on groups that use certain names that offer tax exemption if they are not on the left wing side of politics? Yes, Obama did that. Tying up tax refunds and auditing any politician and group that was not in line with his way of thinking. The IRS had to publicly apologize for it! Which was a higher up directive. The so called oppressed, tried to silence the opposition, approved of violence from the alt left and promoted it as just! Left leaning people moved away from this and were labelled for it.

    The end goal of communism was to eliminate class distinctions among people, where everyone shared equally in the proceeds of society. So why exactly is obama not a communist, why exactly is he not a fascist? Why exactly is he not a fascist?

    A man who pushed through policies without going through the democratic process and a majority consensus. He promoted that a political revolution was essential because the state was a central instrument of capitalist society he promoted, one which is racist so therefore we must fight for equal pay for less work and I support you all because black people, people of colour, women, immigrants, gay people are oppressed.

    Clintons were no better, worse even, so I see why Trump was voted in.

    You must ask yourself why have So called socialist given pardons to known communists, fascist, Marxist terrorists who killed people on this land, be pardoned then celebrated as heroes, individuals who support such governments like cubas communist dictatorship and Stalin. why would Obama not be considered a supporter of such regimes?
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Anyone who promotes the authoritarian agenda of the establishment is fascist IMO. In my opinion Obama and Trump are both fascists since they seek to utilize the power of the state to gain further and further control over the people on behalf of the people pulling their strings.

    In my opinion, socialism and fascism are one and the same thing. Both result in the consolidation of power and the enslavement of many.

    Socialism is administered by bureaucrats, while fascism is a product of corporatism. What we have today is a combination of both. It is called 'The Third Way'.
     
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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So the only Obama policies you can point to that indicate that Obama is a Fascist is raising taxes on businesses, extending the Export-Import Bank, the IRS targeting scandal, and raising the minimum wage?

    Taxes on businesses today are about 35%, in the 50's it was about 50%...one down.
    The Export- Import bank has existed since 1934......two down.
    The IRS scandal was investigated by the Senate, FBI, and DOJ. No finding of Fascism or criminal charges were brought against anyone and Obama wasn't mentioned in any report....three down.
    Raising the minimum wage is Fascist?????

    Finally, Obama is both a Communist and a Fascist? I had thought they were pretty much mutually exclusive.
     
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  4. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Only?

    One down? How do you explain it being the highest in the world today?

    average marginal tax rates including federal income taxes, Social Security taxes, and state income taxes. In the 1950s, the average marginal rates equaled just 25%. Taxes in the 50s were not higher, they were actually lower. That 1950s number does not consider some very vital things.

    they consider only the gross social security payroll tax. But workers in the 1950s received significantly more in Social Security benefits than they paid in taxes; thus, the true net Social Security payroll tax was negative. Today, most workers will receive less in Social Security benefits than they pay in taxes.

    The deadweight loss of taxes rises with the square of the tax rate. So the economic costs of taxation today are roughly 20% larger than in the 50s. Raising taxes hurts the economy more when taxes are already high.

    the overall tax burden has shifted toward high earners, who are in general more responsive to tax rates.

    Two down? So the DOJ, who is headed by the attorney general, a man appointed by obama found him innocent. Amazing. The FBI is header by The Director of National Intelligence is the United States government cabinet-level official – subject to the authority, direction, and control of the President. So you really believe appointed officials who head up these government controlled departments are going yo bite the hand that feeds it?

    What makes him Not one? I fail to see it or that any of your statements are not based in reality but further prove a fascist government.
     
  5. MeAgain

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    I thought we were talking about corporate tax rates?

    The U.S leads among developed countries. That's based on statuary rates.
    Effective rates are different.
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    Regardless what does raising and lowering taxes have to do with Fascism
    I have pretty much faith int he government as a whole, but regardless, what charges of Fascism are you making in regards to the IRS?
     
  6. soulcompromise

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    While you guys are talking about tax rates.. I think we should consider higher taxes all around for a better healthcare system. I think that's essentially what Senator Sanders has been saying for the longest time as well. The idea of a single payer or universal healthcare system has gained some popularity, but I don't think many people realize that it will effect their bottom line. I, personally, think it's well worth it to have what I consider significantly better health care.
     
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  7. unfocusedanakin

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  8. lode

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    Usually when you're discussing effective tax rates in regards to Fascism, you have no idea what the word means, and are applying it as a blanket term for policies you disagree with.
     
  9. Okiefreak

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    You display your abysmal ignorance by misusing the word "fascist" as simply a cuss word to use against anybody you don't like. it has nothing to do with tax rates. Fascism was introduced by Benito Mussolini and perfected by Hitler to describe their political systems based on six elements:populism+Nativism+Nationalism+Scapegoating+leadership Principle+Statism=Fascism. Fascism is populist in gearing its messaging to the little guy who feels left out of the distribution of wealth, status and power in society. It is nativist in being against foreign influence and immigration, It is nationalist in stressing national glory and superiority (for Mussolini, restoring the glory of the Roman Empire; for Hitler, fulfilling the destiny of the Aryan Master Race embodied in the Third Reich). It scapegoats out groups (for Mussolini, socialists and communists, who were beaten up by his blackshirts; for Hitler, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, who were beaten up by his brownshirts). as the source of society's evils It puts it's faith primarily in a Leader instead of policies or institutions (IL Duce, for Mussolini's followers; Der Furher, for Hitler's). And it advocates Statism, in which the government is given totalitarian control over people's lives. In sum, Fascism is demagoguery at its most extreme form. If you want to know what a Fascist is, look at your boy Trump. The only element he hasn't accomplished yet is Statist totalitarian dictatorship, but he's working on it by attacking the courts, the press, Congress, and any other institution that could check his power.
     
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  10. Piney

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    Gen Francisco Franco of Spain comes to mind He was in power a long time. and is more typical of Classical Fascist than Hitler.

    Mr Obama is not a Fascist.
     
  11. eggsprog

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    Okay, I'll bite. Could you explain why you consider the current Canadian federal government to be fascist?
     
  12. Noserider

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    The only thing in this thread that makes the slightest amount of sense is the part about people "tossing around the word fascist...to discredit opposition."

    It's a buzzword these days, typically used by people who can't accurately define it.

    Nazi. Racist. Fascist. Dictator. Socialist. These words are all quickly losing their meaning and becoming fancy words for "a leader I don't like."
     
  13. 6-eyed shaman

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    M-103 is an Islamo-fascist law that passed in Canada. It basically outlaws all criticism of Islam in the country. You can't outlaw "islamophobia" without destroying free speech. Restricting free speech is a form of fascism plain and simple.
     
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  14. unfocusedanakin

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    I don't know who decided the Obama defense was the one to go with but it sure works. Months after the man is gone all we need to do is throw his name out there and nothing else matters.

    8-27-17 when this thread was made is enough time for a child connived WHILE Trump was the president to have been born by now. Not quite enough time for him to actuly be in office. Give that a few more weeks. But during that time between Nonmember and January it's not really common for the current president to do much of anything. And if you will remember there was a big fuss about Obama specifically not doing anything.

    So I ask when is the war over with him seriously? It's over he's gone is that not what you wanted? And he left without sharia law of taking guns away or basically anything you claimed would happen. I would think you would he pleased and would have moved on. In your mind you won did you not?

    I suppose he will forever remain the Republican boogy man and scapegoat for a group of people who don't seem to understand much of anything.
    And I say that not as someone with different politcal views but as someone who understand various political views and what words mean You did not win because you have no time machine and you can not change that he was in fact president. .
     
  15. eggsprog

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    M-103 is not a law, it is a motion.

    Here is the text of the motion:

    Basically, it just means that members of parliament condemn racism and religious discrimination and want to collect more data about hate crimes so that they can try to take steps to reduce them.
     
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  16. Okiefreak

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    There you go again. You don't like a Canadian law, but what makes it "fascist"? Is Canada a dictatorship? Is it ultra-nationalist? Is Justin Trudeau regarded as a man of destiny, to be blindly followed as a person who will lead Canada to greatness? Has he scapegoated any outgroups? If not, give the "fascist" label a rest.
     
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  17. eggsprog

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    Also, to add to all of that, a motion is not the same thing as a law.
     
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  18. stormountainman

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    Way The Frock Off! Canada has for years had a law on their books against denial of the Holocaust. No one said they destroyed free speech.
     
  19. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    The liberal government most certain squelches free speech in Canada, and it did not beginning with islamaphobia, a bullshit word used to call people racist and shut them diown she people express the need to screen people applying as a landed immigrant. Over 75 percent of this country feels this way and that 75 + percent are called islamophobes. Fascism is alive and well and growing in Canada, ever since Trudeau senior took power. The son is no different from the father.

    People will say Trudeau senior legalized homosexuality in Canada. This is the first lie brought about by the father and his cronies. To show what a great man he was. How open minded he was. They also give him credit with legalizing divorce. He did not do either. Lester B. Pearson legalized homosexuality in Canada! All Trudeau said was the government has no business in our bedrooms, no shit? Really? It has always been this way.

    Pierre Trudeau invoked martial law in Canada, not only in Quebec with regards to the FLQ but also in Alberta. Taking the rights away from the people in Alberta because they refused to adhere to the crippling of their province by Trudeau. But the media, or should I say the government controlled and owned media were to present Trudeau only in a positive way. Any leaks to governments abuse of power was met with imprisonment. If the government should stay out of our bedrooms perhaps they should ban tvs in bedrooms, because the government certainly controls that.

    Trudeau senior stated "Mao has delivered a wonderful system to his people." A man who was a dictator and killed many has delivered a wonderful system to his people, Wow

    Trudeau junior say he loves the way China controls its economy and that we need to look at chinas way of doing things.

    Trudeau senior Viva Castro" he said in 1973. Castro is another butcher that Trudeau sr idolized.

    Trudeau junior talked of what a great and wonderful leader he was and a friend to his father, and that he looks forward to further relations.

    Trudeau senior aligned himself with dictators and was one himself.

    During ww2 he was a supporter of the Vichy government in France as were many in Quebec.

    Trudeau sr. Brought about the self governing in Quebec and special rights to the French people in Canada as well as opening the door for the separatist movement in Quebec.

    Trudeau said he would be tough on the FLQ, but while brining in the war measures act he went about negotiating with these terrorists and giving them a slap on the wrist, even rewarding them with a nice vacation to see his buddy Castro in Cuba.

    Being tough on terrorists means you do not recognize them as legitimate and you do not negotiate with them. Trudeau had no problem negotiating with these terrorists and gave in to willingly and eagerly to their demands, while pretending to be hard lined against them. Negotiations with terrorists led to release of terrorists to Cuba, to his friend Castro. A goal I think he always had in mind. And today Trudeau jr. awards 10.5 million to a known terrorist, while other governments in Canada told the terrorist to sue the USA government. Trudeau jr. entertained him and rewarded him, just like the father did to criminals, terrorists against our western culture.

    Paul Rose was sentenced to life, paroled in 1982 and is became a political leader in Quebec.

    Jacques Rose was acquitted and then charged after the fact and paroled in 1978.

    Bernard Lortie was sentenced to 20 years for his part in murder and kidnapping, and paroled in 7 years.

    Francis Simard was sentenced for murder, paroled in 1982, and has made a living off writing about his terrorist acts.

    Jacques Cossette Trudel was exiled to Cuba, and then he traveled to France. He returned to Canada and was sentenced to two years and released after 8 months.

    Louise Lanctot was given a vacation to Cuba by Trudeau. She then went to France, and returned to Canada. She was sentenced to two years and was paroled after 8 months.

    Jacques Lanctot was exiled to Cuba. He then went to France and returned to Canada. He served one year.

    Yves Langlois was sentenced to two years less a day, and served 10 months.

    Marc Carbonneau was exiled to Cuba, and then traveled to France. He returned to Canada in 1981 and was sentenced to 20 months.

    Trudeau also decided to not pursue extradition of terrorists from France in 1974, after various terrorists were known to be residing there. Toug, not at all. The only people Trudeau was tough on for the crimes of the terrorists were everyday citizens.

    He controlled and did not permit watching of American news and tv. It was monitored and still s today.

    He allowed Cuban planes to refuel in Newfoundland and continue on the the ussr. Oh he also idolized Stalin and aligned himself with Russia.
     
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  20. 6-eyed shaman

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    You don't have to be a dictator to have fascist tendencies.
     

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