What Makes A God?

Thank you, thedope, you are right. I just find it difficult to accuse scientists of lacking the respect they say they have. It's almost as though we're supposed to look upon scientists as pious holymen. In reality doesn't everyone have opinions on things? I find it hard to believe that someone can just cast their opinions aside when science calls for it. I'm not saying they flubbed the results; I'm saying the whole experiment is flubbed. Science has been given idiotic, godlike authority over every aspect of our lives. Scientists aren't truly impartial, Beakeresque muppets. No one can be expected to be that streamlined in their thinking, and anyone who thinks their thinking is that streamlined is a gullible fool.

 

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume34/GOT034263.html#N_10_

What i have found is that no, they didn't meet the people before hand, regarding that study. This is a problem because it's not realistic. Without even meeting the person, you are not at the full position to know another person's energy. A good astrologer is like a good psychologist. If a psychologist was simply given the raw data of their personality, how is he absolutely supposed to know who that person is? He has a better idea, but he's not really going to be able to apply himself completely. In the same way, an astrologer looks at a person's chart and while talking with them and hearing their life story and situation is able to evoke and invoke the archetypal energies of the zodiac. They can be used and harnessed in a variety of ways. It's all up to the person, and a good Astrologer and Psychologist is able to guide this.

With many of the other studies, they are only getting involved with the Sun Signs. That's also inadequate.

 

How did you even gather anything about the methods from that article? There was like a brief blip regarding it amongst SEVERAL other studies. See the real issue here is the scientific studies are not being given there deserved respect.

 

so what you are saying is that in the absence of the person being charted, an astrologer CAN NOT do an accurate chart?
But that is not what astrology claims. Astrology claims to be able to arrive at complete analysis of a person based on nothing more than the particulars of their birth.
What you are describing really sounds a lot more like the scam methodology of psychic readers who utilize cues & clues derived by surreptitiously interviewing the person and developing the readings based on the information unknowingly provided by the subject.

Making a comparison to a psychologist is lame because a psychologist is supposed to pick up on cues while conversing with their subject, whereas, as I understand it and most other people do, astrology claims to be able to do this with nothing more than birth particulars.

Are you now changing the rules of the game?

 

A chart can be analyzed without the person present but a lot more can be revealed in regards to relating the chart to their life if they speak with them directly.

Show me such claims about Astrologers not also being about picking up on clues just like a psychologist while conversing with their subject.

 

I see, so they make it up as they go along learning more information as they interview the subject.

sounds like a scam to me.

 

so would you be able to do an accurate chart if the only information you got were the birth particulars?

location: Latitude: 33.803615 | Longitude: -118.064238
Time: Aug. 27, 1993 16:50
sex: female

That should be enough particulars.
I'll expect a full and complete chart in a week or so, ok.

Hell, if you can even come up with a single specific for this person I will be impressed and will publicly acknowledge astrology as a viable art/science.
but it must be precisely specific, no general bullshit that applies to 98% of the population.

 

I can get started with this asap. It would be easier for the sake of getting started tonight if you just gave the location rather than the latitude and longitude. Tomorrow I'll have access to the software to enter the latitude and longitude.

 

Astrologers cannot learn more about a persons chart from knowing the person or even how it relates to his life. The positions of the alignments present at what time is the maximum amount of prediction that astrology can achieve. He learns more about the person from meeting the person. It has no bearing on the chart whatsoever. A chart never tells you about a persons life. The clues being picked up are not from an element in astrology like psychological understanding, they come exactly from psychological understanding. That is why I say the only importance that an astrologer can have for another person is the quality of his relationship to an individual.

It is simply not so that astrology is predictive of a persons life. It doesn't tell you when you will be born or when you will die or whether any influence will be relevant to the activities of the person. It is not a matter of whether there is enough information. It is not a matter of a lack of improperly conceived testing. It is a matter that you believe the subject contains qualities that is does not posses. If it is forecast for rain and it rains it still doesn't tell you about a persons life, it means there is a chance of getting wet.

 

Actually nevermind I got the location

 

Los Alamitos, CA, correct?

 

how much more exact do you want? unfortunately I don't have the GPS coordinates for the exact delivery room, just the hospital. I figured a location within a couple hundred yards would suffice.

 

Doing a rough look at this:

It looks like that she may have a very conservative and practical approach to getting things done, and perhaps take honor in setting goals one at a time to achieve.

She may be very specific towards perfection in regards to the goals she sets, and expresses this in a specific way through her words. There may be elements of a perfectionist involved with this person.

But she likes to be paid attention to, and thrives from equating love to lots of attention, and actions and words of love that are given to her.

She may also be very diplomatic in regards to her relationships with others, and may value fairness.

She may be aware of the injustices of the world, and may apply her goal-setting towards somehow changing and creating a new structure for society through her perfectionist work.

Lessons in this life will regard being involved with lots of different groups of people, and/or allowing themselves to be open to different philosophies. Other lessons may regard either restrictions towards freedom or learning how to practically apply something more eccentric towards society.

 

Uhhmmm, ok
you got anything specific like I requested. all the stuff you listed is very vague and general not to mention most of it is way off base. You do understand that using the word "may" is almost the opposite of "precise and specific", don't you?
so I'm gonna say
swing and a miss.
that's strike one.

 

What specifics are you asking? I haven't met the person.

 

Again there china the only precision in astrology is that you can determine exactly what the relative alignments are i.e. the hour of sunrise and the hour of sunset. But I guess the only thing that will clue you in is the embarrassment of repeated failure.

 

well according to the claims made on behalf of astrology and astrologers by you, you shouldn't need to meet the person, the stars and the planets should tell you everything.

any specific will do.
how about;
Career choice
relationship status--single, dating or married
education

you know, all the stuff you claimed that astrology can show a person specifically, not just general daily horoscope crap.
I mean that is what you have been arguing in favor of all along isn't it, the exacting science of astrology?

 

This is a rough look and I'm not extremely great at reading charts myself. I haven't given the chart to the Astrologer.

I have been saying that when you understand your own chart you can utilize it towards what you want to achieve and use it as a tool regarding your psyche.

Asking things such as career choice, relationship status, etc. is similar to asking a Scientist or Psychologist to say the same thing when not meeting the person.

I have already been saying that you can read some things but that interacting with the person is the best way to utilize your chart.

Rather than telling you what your job is, a better use of it would be to relate your placements towards what you're doing with your job.

If i had to guess I would say the job has something to do with humanity. But not sure what.

 

well considering damn near any and everything a person can do has "something to do with humanity", that has to be the most general remark you have made yet.

How do you not see this???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

but it does sound as if you now want to alter the parameters and give yourself the backdoor excuse of "I don't know her personally" and that is simply a cop out.

Again, according to things you have stated about astrology, there is absolutely no need or reason to see or speak to the person in order to develop a detailed chart.

sorry, but at least in science you can't change the rules halfway thorough an experiment.

 

All jobs have to do with humanity.


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