What Makes A God?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by AceK, Jul 11, 2015.

  1. storch

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    So, all is not one. And one is not all.
     
  2. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    Just because I have two arms doesn't mean that it's not part of one body. Just because there are multiple waves doesn't mean it's not all one ocean.
     
  3. storch

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    So, All is One, and One is All.
     
  4. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    Yes. All is "not one" in the fact that on the surface of manifestation, there is a clear difference between people and objects. There is an apparent separation.

    What Zen is talking about is that despite this appearance of separation, it all stems from the same source. So in this sense, all is One. Realizing this makes the world of duality and separation much different to navigate than to believe that it's all separate.


     
  5. storch

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    So, would you say that objects are an extension of the perceiving self?
     
  6. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    Yes. Even objects are essentially made out of Nature. I do happen to feel that all of matter has Consciousness, and that it's all the same Universal One Consciousness, but without separation, it wouldn't be able to perceive itself.

    Take an instrument for example. You can take a few logs or rocks and make drums out of it without doing anything to them other than hitting them together. Or you could construct it in a more commercial way. Doesn't really matter. It's still an extension of the same source.
     
  7. Tyrsonswood

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    Or hella constipated....
     
  8. storch

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    So how do you view the creation of destruction that is perpetrated upon this sphere of existence. Is viewing an action as destructive--because of perceived harm done to a part of the whole--an unwarranted judgement against an aspect of the self? In other words, does the imbalance of a part translate into an imbalance of the whole? I hope I'm making sense.
     
  9. Tyrsonswood

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    ^^^ No... No you're not.
     
  10. storch

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    You seem . . . angry about something. Did someone call you an idiot, and you let it get under your skin? Just stop doing idiotic things. Now why don't you get back to the shallow end of the pool?
     
  11. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    Yes. Take the natural disasters and megastorms on this planet as an example. Any movement of energy, positive or negative, has an effect on the whole. The megastorms are Nature's way of attempting to balance out our imbalance. Its harshness to us mirrors our harshness to it.
     
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    No... Not that at all. Your post just didn't make any fucking sense. You knew this or you wouldn't have had to ask.
     
  13. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    It made sense to me...
     
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    Okay. What about unnatural disasters like mega-oilspills and nuclear meltdowns? Is the effect that this kind of event has on the whole a shared imbalance? And what is the answer to such problematic events?
     
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    Technically, since we are part of Nature, this is also a natural disaster. Yes, the effect that this event has definitely has an effect on every fiber of earth.

    Part of the answer is for humans to stop separating themselves from Nature. Then it will be obvious to not do so much destruction to it, as it's just doing destruction to ourselves.
     
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    I should have said, "I hope I'm being clear." I didn't anticipate the intrusion of a troll who would be attempting to alleviate his feelings of insecurity stemming from his inability to comprehend something. You're just angry. It will pass.
     
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    So, can it be said that the whole--particularly this sphere--is in process, and that no matter how dark or terrible the moment appears, the process will ultimately conclude in balance? In other words, even being a cruel person is part of the path or journey to a peaceful countenance.
     
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    Since it's an Infinite universe, every moment of darkness or terribleness gets balanced, yes. Balance happens on an infinite scale. You can't have light without dark, and duality always permeates.
     
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    But if there is this balance that we are talking about, is it possible to end suffering? Does our momentary existence in a duality prevent the possibility of eliminating torture and other such horrors from our presence? What is the way out?
     
  20. Moonglow181

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    I don't think that arrogance is a god like quality......
    When I hear of people talking about animals and other species being less, it makes me cringe.....
    The only thing man can do better than any animal not carrying diseases such as rats....is kill on a large scale.

    WOW!...and that is with weapons...put man naked in the jungle with some other species, and see how he does.

    man are not the only engineers.....so are ants, beavers, bees, etc...man cannot do lots of things that other animals can do.....fly through the air without the aid of anything for instance.

    Man thinks he is better than everything. that is arrogance.

    We can learn alot from other species and have.
     
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