What Makes A God?

No. I don't see how doing a study on people who are largely ignored whilst simultaneously telling them that it's the be-all end-all study of their profession is showing them an ounce of respect. It's like telling a little old man who's just trying to tell you something that he is a fraud and a failure. Due respect to an astrologer is the due respect you give to a human being. Yes, he has otherworldly visions that boggle the mind's inner eye, but a god this does not make him. He is a man. A sorceror, but a man. Indulge him; don't scientifically inspect him. Yes, I am saying a study of astrologers is the antithesis of a true study which would just indulge them towards no goal of finding some result of having studied them. It's disrespectful.

 

Dumbledore was just my way of trying to explain to you how a mystical union with the source might appear to you if his talents were allowed to blossom. How would you like me to characterize a man who reads the stars? He would humble us all I think. But I can see why he stays away, or I can see how he is kept at bay.

 

You clearly do no demonstrate an understanding of the rigor of science. This is arguably science's greatest strength and leaves Harry Potter analogies such as yours and the the like looking very unproductive and nonsensical by comparison. Personally, I found the astrologers even got a benefit of the doubt by getting to chose their own experts. If I were conducting such a study, I probably wouldn't even grant that, I'd rather just choose a random pool of astrologers.

If they shouldn't be scientifically inspected, then we shouldn't be calling for them to be studied scientifically Seems simple enough. Otherwise deal with the reality of the findings, regardless if they are in line with your personal biases and intuitions.

 

Very good point and doing it in the manner they did actually skewed the study IN FAVOR of astrology.
I agree, for such a study to be completely neutral and controlled, it should have been a random selection of astrologers.

 

I can't get over your idea that astrologers need to be "respected" in order for science to adequately study it/them.
Does that mean I need to respect and be reverent towards a cockroach if I'm an entomologist?

I hope you see the problem with the whole "respect" nonsense.
It hasn't a darn thing to do with scientific research considering real scientific research should be devoid of any emotional influences, such as "respect".

 

Confusing studying astrology with studying astrologers. The astrologers work from the astrological system. If you know the system and you use it then you have all the authority you need.
What makes astrologers useful to others is how they relate to people.

 

This is the problem with the official authorities. If they think you need them then the monkey business starts.

 

As Writer attempts to maintain his sense of control, he is expressing yet another attitude of Taurus. It's not surprising that most dictators happened to be Tauruses. They want to be in charge, in control, and to be worshipped by many, just like Writer on this forum.

But Scorpio realizes that he's holding out on giving me the information because at that moment he releases control of the situation, and is attempting to hide his fear of getting a good and accurate result. It may be subtle, but it's obvious. If this weren't the case, then he would have given me the info by now. He's totally cowarding out because there is a fear there.

 

I hope we see that if we have a problem with respect in any level of life, is our nonsense. Respect is how you manage your relationships. Whether you feel someone respects you are not, it's effects are a level of your respect.

 

I'm not confusing the two, neonspectral is.

what the heck is that supposed to mean?

really just sounds like more paranoid conspiracy nonsense.


thedope, how would YOU devise an experiment to test the validity of astrology and it's claims?

 

What information do you still lack? Why are you saying it's his problem, it's not, it's your verdict.

 

He hasn't given me the time of birth

 

seriously, stop being so obtuse.
while everything ultimately can be boiled down to the basic personal drama, for the purpose of a study into astrology, such crap is not requisite.

You know goddamn well what I mean and I am correct in saying that pure scientific research into any topic does not have "respect" as a mandatory criteria.
Have you ever been involved with actual scientific research and know the criteria for solid and unbiased research?

 

If you think you need someone then that someone is not required to have integrity. If you think you need someone then you doubt your own integrity. We are only useful to each other when we help.

I have said about three times what is needed to make an analysis. Data base. We don't need subjects we need the data they produce. Our production is what we do. You observe the person exactly as a scientist would observe the behavior of any animal. The test then is to compare what is done with the codified aspects. You have one list on one side and another to the other side. Compare notes. True is same of different.

 

Perhaps it is not known. Regardless a day is a period of time so you have something to work with. All the specific time does is give you more things to consider. Don't worry about making an impression. The effect we are dealing with is influence. There are no precise predictors of how you relate to influence. If you are convinced of the validity of what you are saying then say it.
It is him who will determine for himself what he sees. No matter how much information you give, You can't convince.

Here is what I think you would do well struggling with.

In the center of the chart, all influences and characteristics are present. As you go out from the center that is still true but you become more concerned for some.

To go from being influenced to being influential, give up your preferences.

The irritation you have with your audience on this subject comes from the fact that astrology is special to you. That is why you feel defensive or offensive about it.

What ambient tension does is influence choices. On a totally mundane everyday plane such subliminal tensions are present locally. So you might become irritated with a particular incident and think that your irritation was cause by the event but you might have just been hungry or have been concerned about larger issue the touches the subject. So your reaction comes out disproportionate to what is actually happening. An example would be comparing your past to their present. You see someone who displays a quality you are familiar with and you begin to see them like that and you perceive in them them all kinds of characters that they don't have.

 

He already told me he would give me the missing piece of information if i was at an understanding of what he expects. I told him I was at an understanding, and he still with-holds the information.

If he wants a specific result then i need the specific information.

 

Stop comparing your past to my present and you won't get yourself in a tizzy. If you are thinking me obtuse then you are making assumptions about what I am dong. I know well period.
My expanded comment on respect wasn't about astrology but about the nature of respect. A great deal of not getting a good picture is comparing it to the picture you expect to see.

Every time you accuse me of being neglectful or somehow missing the point you have just expressed your lack of information about me. The problem is never out there. If there appears to be some divergence ask questions. The answer you receive may be a broader picture that makes the question moot. It answers the question in that had you known that other thing the question wouldn't come up. If you are questioning my integrity in any area it is because you are thinking I lack integrity. If there is something you think would increase understanding mention or add it.

We have trouble with others because they are not playing the role we have assigned to them. Not there job to live your life. There is no lack of integrity anywhere except in understanding. You can't wee this until you hold the world harmless and realize in these terms only your own thoughts can hurt you. Never fear, smith is here.

 

Chinacat

I haven't seen him around recently. Perhaps he forgot, perhaps he is just doing other things. I gave you a way to move beyond this. Why don't you put up instead of using him as an excuse.

I showed you where it doesn't fucking matter and if you refuse to see this then it is your ego not his that is out of hand. You call him afraid, now I'm calling you afraid. Afraid that you will not be able to prove your point.

 

It is the data that settles disputes, ask questions don't accuse.

If a scientist thinks that he is serious and exacting and goes home and accuses his spouse of whatever, he forgot he was a scientist. If He now goes back to the lab he is not much of a scientist because his measuring device is not calibrated correctly because in his mind is the idea of deficiency or inequality that has requirements all of their own and this unconsciously edits the information coming in. If you do it at home don't imagine you don't do it in the lab.

Know thyself and see that you have taken upon yourself unequal measures.

The scientific method is a weak and inconsistent tool for addressing our worlds problems or questions if we are not always the scientist.
Currently most use science which is reliable method for some things but use preferences or personal irritations for measuring others.

 

Dude, if he wants his full specific chart then i need all the info required. Quit being a dick for no reason about it.