What Is Your Heredity?

Maybe that is your brother in law....but not too many Finns have that kind of skin with the white blonde hair....More Swedes are like that than Finns. One of my grandmothers was an olive skinned dark haired Finn.

 

Me and DW just got our DNA results back a few weeks ago from ancestry.com.

No big suprises. Except for the fact I have from 3-8% Russian heritage. Didn't know about that.

But by and large I'm a German and English. Or rather, UK. The ancestry folks of course do not differentiate between Germany and France, say. The test just says, Western Europe. But I know from past relatives that WE is Germany. I have a great grandfather who was a WWI German flying ace. His name was Paul Baumer and if memory serves he had over 40 kills. The other 35% or so is English.

Robyn of course is a Norwegian beauty. Her dna came back loaded with scandanavian and swedish and Norwegian. She also recieved no suprises. Other than a teeny bit....1-3% I think, of Jewish.

 

The more genealogy I work through, the more Scots-Irish I uncover.

More than anything my immediate heritage is that of the Scots-Irish.

 

Unless you are a Native American (Indian) this is only your country where you reside. Not your ethnicity. And not your DNA.

Unless you are a Native American....your people came here from somewhere else. Usually it is Europe.

When you get your DNA tested you will see there is no "American" option. Unless, again, it is Native. And even THOSE guys came from somewhere else! It's just that it was a lot longer ago than most of us of European ancestry. The prevalent hypothesis of the origins of the Native Americans had them coming here to the North American continent about 10,000 years ago. Seems they may have traversed a land bridge over the Bering Straits--from Eastern Asia--when the water level was low enough to allow such a passage. This means that most Native Americans (a misnomer name, BTW) are actually of Asian descent. And indeed, DNA tests have confirmed this many many times.

Some of our Natives may have come up from Central and South America as well.

Anyway....hope this helps out your confusion, mate.

 

Nothing creepy about pure unadulterated science, mate. Which is what DNA testing and genetics are all about.

The potential help that research into this area could offer mankind is virtually unlimited. We are talking about curing diseases and illnesses once and for all. Screening babies at birth to see what diseases they are "coded" for and then giving them a genetic infusion that will shut off this gene. (genes and chromosomes work like electrical switches in many ways.)

As far as the LDS having ties to Ancestry. Who cares? Besides, it is most likely the other way around. The LDS is notorious for doing their geneology research to track their ancestry. This is because of one of their wacky beliefs that when they die they get their own planet and can populate it with all their relatives and then be like their God.

LOL. Now THAT sort of supersitious shite--like most religion--is what is scary to me!

Cheers/

 

Hmm....not really.

As I said, I am of mostly Western European and English ancestry and I get as dark as a Mexican in the summer here. In fact I already am right now. I am almost as dark even, as a light-skinned Black! LOL. Of course, I DO live in Sunny Texas and am outside almost every day for at least 3-4 hours.

Tanning is dependant on a chemical secreted by epidermal cells called melanin. There are other factors that influence and control these secretions and levels other than DNA content.

Cheers.

 

So, then...you're a Brit?

Like Robert Plant?

LOL

 

Yes, partially, and prior to that the line came France and Norway.

 

Scots-Irish - we're not all hill billies (the name Billy for Scots and Ulster Protestants, stems from King William of Orange (Dutch) who came over and saved our arses from the Catholics who had laid siege to us in Londonderry in the late 1600s - it was an 11th hour rescue. The gates of the city had been closed by a group of brave apprentice boys just before the Catholics stormed in. Not saying the Protestants were lily white but at least they weren't ultramontanist (q.v.),

Bear in mind that the Scots-Irish (inn Ulster terms) only populated the part of Ireland that became Northern Ireland in 1921/22. They had little to do with the Republic of Ireland to the south. It's as though the province of Ulster were New Mexico and the Republic of Ireland were old Mexico

or,

to put it another way

Scots-Irish

 

Speaking of genealogy... Did I mention that we found my former husband's brother?

They were adopted in Germany.

Sadly, the brother had died a few years ago so my former husband and he did not meet. We do have contact with his son, though. They live in South Carolina.

There are other brothers so maybe another will turn up.

 

But just because you refuse to have your DNA and TRUE ethnicity discerned does not change anything I said in my OP. It was all correct. There is NO such genetic ethnicity as "American" as you said, unless it is....again.....referring to Native American peoples. Whom are....again (sigh) not really even indigenous to the American continent either. Most of them are of Asian ancestry.

Many Native Americans have been DNA tested in the past and found to contain genetic codes with identical genomes to Asians. This is not speculation. It's science.

So go ahead and call yourself what you wish...it is of course your right. Just know that you are scientifically incorrect when you say that. And, I hate to say, it makes you sound rather uneducated. At least totally ignorant of what DNA and genetics and ethnicity are all about. But if you're fine with that, then so be it.

 

Hmm...saying we are all African is stretching it.

While it may be true (not all anthropologists agree) that our remote ancestors originated on the African Continent about 6 MYA before exiting for North Central Europe about 60,000 years ago, that does not make us "African."

We were not yet homo sapiens when we in Africa. There have been some 27 different sub-species of the genus "homo" and we current homo sapien sapiens (wise wise ape) are the Last Apes Standing.

But it was between the times of our African exodus and our transition from nomadic hunter-gatherers to farmers and then land dwellers that our ancestors settled and bred for many thousands of generations. The various locations where your direct blood ancestors did this is what determines your DNA identitity. And yes, I am fairly educated on genetics and anthropology so I know that DNA testing for ancestry and ethnicity is not perfect. All it does is tell you what percentage of your genomes you share with peoples who are now living in that area of the planet. Country...continent..whatever.

This is why those percentages from DNA tests from places like ancestry.com are pretty widely varied. Like for example, my leading markers coded me for "UK." And the percentages were anywhere from 25-50% or so. And My Russian one was about 2-8%. So, no, by no means is this an exact science.

Yet....I do not think it is a waste of money. It IS valid science, and it IS totally accurate in telling you what you DONT have any relations to. Like when you get 0%. Which, for most people, is for over two-thirds of the total list of ethnicities.

Or...like for you. Who calls himself "American." You would see on the list of total ethnic possibilities that the only American was "Native American." And you would see you had 0%. Or, somebody who always thought they might have, say, Italian blood. So their DNA says 0%. These teats ARE 100% accurate for telling what you DO NOT have any genetic markers for. So it can effectively refute a claim of a specific ancestry.

And for the ones where your percentages were significant, like mine for UK and Western Europe, well, it tells me that it is very very likely that that area, more than anywhere else on the Globe, is where my lineage is from. You can also further confirm those DNA findings with your own geneology research, and what you already know about your people.

And lastly, this DNA science tells you that when you claim to be "American" you are, at least from a genetic standpoint, totally wrong. You might be an American as far as citizenry, and your allegiance, and in your way of thinking. That's all well and fine, mate. But as I said before, unless you are what we call an Indian--a Native American, you are no more American than I am Chinese when I go visit Beijing on vacation and eat some Dim Sum. LOL.

Hope this helps.

C

 

Although Crystal_Nocked explained pretty well, the quoted sentence may also be where you're going wrong: what you identify with/as can differ with what your heritage is. To put it real simple: if you're (partly) caucasian your heritage never stops at 'american'.

 

I am American too, it is my ethnicity. I do not identify with or hold allegiance to Ireland, Bangladesh, German, etc.

I will never give my DNA to ancestry or 23 and me or any other of these gatherers.

It is obvious that the government is using this as a way to gather DNA on people and they are having you pay for it. Fucking brilliant,

Puff is right, these psuedo tests that look at your chromosomes, on each of those chromosomes are markers. These markers are compared with others in the database and if there are so many similar hits in a country or area, this MIGHT be your ethnnicity, based on a reading for the same marker they assign a percentage which is in no way accurate. People migrate and have for a very long time. It MIGHT tell you of possible relatives.

In some countries these tests are partially paid for by the government and is used to gather info on individuals. So yeah, I just don't want my DNA in a national database where the government knows of my Heath, traits and supposed ancestry. The reason governments are partially paying the costs of the tests is because they have made contract agreements with conpanies to share the info.

Get added to the FBI database and the database of other countries governing bodies.

Tell the people, get your DNA tested and we will tell you what you are, gather all personal info and yes it as needed. the governing bodies will define you and make you think your unique. Brilliant. An you pay to be added to a national database. Too funny.

https://thinkprogress.org/popular-sites-23andme-and-ancestry-com-turn-users-dna-information-over-to-police-86962fd1eec5

http://www.copblock.org/145589/paying-to-add-your-dna-to-a-government-database-via-ancestry-com-and-23andme/

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/familial-dna-evidence-turns-innocent-people-into-crime-suspects/

 

Ethnicity is Ethnicity.

Not race. I know this.

But it's far more than a social group. You really believe there is not a difference? Wow. Dude, a social group can be a freaking book club or a religion or a group of peoples living in the same place and sharing the same customs and interests and culture. But whom are not related by genetics or blood.

For example...I can travel to China (like my last hypothetical scenario) and live in a village and learn Mandarin and eat their food and work with them and share their customs and lifestyle. Does that make me just as Chinese as a real Asian who was born there are has Asian DNA? No..of course not. Yet...by your "culture is just a group of people" idea (I won't call it even a hypothesis, since it is so wrong!) I WOULD be just a Asian as they are.

I also know the Pangaea theory is more than a hypothesis. It is a theory. And in science you need to be aware that we use the term "theory" in a far different manner than when people--laymen--do in normal everyday conversation. Like when you say, "I have a theory what my boss is such an A-hole...."

In science a THEORY is MORE than just a fact. Yep. It is a collection of facts and observations and proven experiments that have been verified after the original hypothesis. Like Evolution. No body in their right mind denies the Theory of Evolution any longer. Unless you're a religious zealot.

Same deal for Pangaea, bro. We have taken geographical core samples and done various radiometric dating on them from the coasts of the various continents where they were conjoined before Pangaea split up. They all match.

Pangea is a fact. Was a fact.

What about it bothers you so much? You seem to deny a lot of proven and valid science. Are you religious? Are you also one of those young-earthers? Jeez I hope not. May I inquire why it so disturbs you to admit that you might be, say, of Irish or German or whatever ancestry? Instead of just claiming, like some redneck at a NRA rally against gun control..."Dammit, I'm an Amerkin...and I wont let no sissy pinkos take my gins away from me." (and then he spits a juicy gob of tobacco juice on his wife-beater. LOL)

I am guessing there is something in your faith or belief system or past that causes you to deny basic tenets of science.

We are getting off topic. If you like we can go to the science forum and do some real debating. We can use links and sources. Like on Evolution..or the Pangaea thing. Or any other aspect of science you deny but I can prove.

Let me know, Mr. American. LOL

 

Southern Europe, Catholic, manana - but has become pretty secular of late - terrific place - lots of different environments - lots of offshore islands - on Netflix MAR DE PLASTICO gives some idea of Spain's southern desert - Spain also has an African exclave CEUTA, just across the Strait of Gibraltar.

 

I'm 100% North European

 

i'm 100% Neanderthal...........But I'm Sure You Already Knew That.......



Cheers Glen.

 

I didn't know you're an aboriginal

 

I've no reason to believe, from Puff's posts over time, that he is any of the far out things you allege, Christal. Why do you get so fucking worked up? Yes, it's fun to know what nations American immigrants came from and that includes native Americans - who are indigenous but perhaps not autochthones. I'd like to know whether they all came from one area in Siberia/Sakhalin or whether they hail from myriad loci all over Asia - for example.

if a guy wants to call himself American I might debate him but I'm not going to do it ad hominem.

 

Puff does deny science though and has demonstrated several times she has no real knowledge of the scientific method.

I guess crystal could have left out the comparison to rednecks but I don't think questioning if puff's anti science mindset is related to a religious belief system is really an ad hominem attack

 

born in wales. so i guess that makes me american.