What Is Your Heredity?

Probably holstein frisians from America. The frisian horse is also wellknown worldwide.

 

no their irish frisians ,like the holstein fresians .but the first holsteins did'nt come here from america,they were brought here by the brits.but they were'nt british.they were orginally from holland and frisland. the dutch brought their fresian holsteins with them ta new york, that time they tryed ta steal new york, but when the brits stole new york instead and brought their own cows there,all the dutch fresian holsteins dissapeared from new york. i don'nt where they went ta .maybe the dutch brought them back ta holland and friesland.

 

I don't think they took the effort to bring all their cows back on 17th century ships because New York switched of foreign rulers. Where did you hear they dissapeared after the british took over? I'm intrigued.
Also, I can see (not just because I'm dutch ) if you want to see it like that that the british stole New York from the Netherlands. It would of course be the simple version. But the dutch didn't stole that city, they founded it. You can say they did steal the ground on which it was founded, which they bought for a bargain price from the local 'indians'. Who can blame them for making that deal huh

Anyway, the holstein frisians that are now known allover the world because they are the best dairy cows are a mix of dutch frisian cows and american cows and are so altered that the main thing they have in common is their black and white appearance. If you take a modern holstein frisian cow and put them in a 19th century dutch cow stable they would hardly fit because they are so breeded on having bigger utters and a higher build to support having those utters they are too big. Now, we have modern stables too of course. What I think is a concern is that this modern cow is taking over wordlwide at the expense of other cow races that 'merely' give natural amounts of milk... Some dutch/american heritage for everyone to share in

 

Right. My stepfather was a dairy farmer. He told me that before WWII they had British Longhorn and Shorthorn cattle. Gradually, they were replaced by Frisians.
Higher milk yield, but much more prone to diseases.
He had a Hereford bull he used to breed the cows with.

In the UK these days most dairy stock are Frisians. You also see Jersey and Guernsey cows, which produce better milk, but less of it.

 

That's why I instantly thought those irish frisians are in fact originally from America. They have replaced other breeds not only in the U.K and U.S. but allover the world and continue to do so. It is not likely those frisians in ireland are an exception.

 

When a white army battles indians and wins its called a victory
but if they lose its called a massacre

Chiksika (Shawnee )


We are now about to take our leave and kind farewell to our native land
The country the Great Spirit gave our Fathers
We are on the eve of leaving that country that gave us birth
It is with sorrow we are forced by the white man to quit the scenes of our childhood
as we bid farewell to it all we hold dear.

Charles Hicks (tsalagi cherokee)
Vice Cheif
speaking of The Trail of Tears...............nov 4th 1838

 

So....
are we talking human heritage or bovine?

 

The milking cow can easily be considered a form of heritage of our ancestors

Roamy, sorry but you are speaking in cliché's. They were not even busy with an idea like manifest destiny at the time. It was (and still is by the way) human nature to see your enemies bloody victory over your own people as a massacre and your own victory as righteous (I think your own chauvinistic attitude against the british is a good example). Especially in a time when the feeling of 'we' did not really extend outside your own community or group of people. This is not limited to white people neither..

 

My father is an Irishman.
My mom is a Caper, a few gens removed from Scotland.

 

Polish ! My grand father came from Polind. his last name was prokopic. But when he came to America he wanted it to sound more American. So he chaned it to Prokopy.

 

Well yes, of course.

God only allows the righteous to have Gatling guns and Hotchkiss cannon ... the unrighteous he leaves to do their best with bows and arrows and clubs.


Incidentally (and it's not directly relevant, but interesting none the less) did you know that in the entire history of the settlement of the American West, more settlers were killed by the accidental discharge of their own firearms than by Indian attacks on their wagon trains?

 

Cute.

Just goes to show that we don't always get what we want, huh? :mickey:

 

I didn't know that, thanks for sharing! I love how irrelevant history details can put things in a different perspective. Ah well, I love irrelevant details in history anyway :2thumbsup:

 

Pretty much every civilized nation has carried out atrocities at one time or another. Pre-civilized too, although because of not having such extensive means, on a smaller scale perhaps. We know for instance that the Aztecs sacrificed thousands in bloody rites. That the British exterminated the Tasmanian Aborigines, Tamerlane killed on an industrial scale for the time, etc etc.

Mass killing is a part of the heritage of all human beings to some extent. And I don't think name calling, or getting into conflicts now over all that is at all helpful. Maybe people like me with a mixed genetic inheritance derived from nations who were previously enemies are more able to see this. What we need is reconciliation. I would doubt, although I may be wrong, that many Americans today are particularly proud of the way the Amerindians were treated.

 

Often I find it's the little details that can be very revealing.

 

Where did you get that from?

 

I'd venture to guess that most of us just don't care, or are otherwise ambivalent towards the entire thing.

 

It was all part of an inevitable historical process as far as I can see.

 

Maybe. I just know I really don't care what happened. I know the history but find myself asking "so what"?

 

Many americans seem to care and of course there will also be a lot of americans who don't care. What's your point?