what is wrong with society & why did i post this in the LSD section?

i got into it because i wanted to experience what the feeling was, it is truly inexplicable, but i assure you, i dont take it to get fucked up, i have a plenty of other stuff to do if i'm just looking to get trashed, i take 'cid because it unlocks something, makes something in the back of my head open and ideas pour out like from a martini shaker. i have written some of my most interesting pieces with an instrument, with a pen, as a drawing, whilst frying, i can be a muse for other people, but lsd is my muse.

 

When I look at every aspect of society, I find plenty of things witch are not fair or even very wrong. It doesn't need super inteligent person to notice that. I asure you that even those ones who are denying LSD and whole hippy idea see how society is wrong. It could take me days to write down here what I saw is wrong in society, but its not that I am lazy, I don't see the point. What I mean by that is, I can see so many wrong things, but I don't have an idea to what to change it to be right. The only solution witch comes to my mind is that human level of consciousnes need to be leveled up and that every person should be scared from himself, not from laws or police or whatever else. Why I am saying this? Because nobody can punish me that much how much I can punish myself. If I know that I did something terrible, I can not look myself in a mirror, I can not sleep, I am eating myself from inside and asking how could I do that. No prison or a police can torture me that much as I can do to myself. LSD helped me to realize that we are all just human and that everything we do have a purpose, that mistake is not mistake if you learn from it. So, maybe going somewhere and forming a comune is a right solution. Not just to run away, but as a marketing tool. To show world how everything can work perfectly with no lie and in perfect harmony with nature and people. Take a look at Ibiza for example. Drugs and everything is alowed there, it is an island on its own, and still with every drug allowed and everything you can hardly see the fight or any criminal activities (at least it used to be like that, I don't know now since it became pretty popular). Needles to say that everyone is welcome in comune, but there must be a trial so you don't allow rotten mind to come and misuse everybody's love and trust. A trial can be 500 ugs (or even double of it) of acid and you will see, only those ones who found peace with themself and nature will be able to go through it easily. There is no way that somebody can trick me that he's having a fun when he's actually going through hell. I don't need to mention that people who would fit in this kind of comune are absolutely capable of making everything function perfectly, because everybody is comming from a perspective "what can I give more and to who", instead of "what do I need". When everybody is willing to give, instead to grab than the miracle is not miracle any more. Take an example of just one family. When parents are trying to give whole them self and child also, that is the family witch is bound forever and there is no secrects, everything is shared and there is plenty of love. If child is not doing certain things because he doesn't want to hurt parents feelings, instead of beeing scared of punishment, than you can say that family is perfect. Somehow the whole world should come to that point, I don't want to do this because it might hurt somebody, instead of beeing scared of laws and punishment. How to get to that point, that is what is important to me, not to change taxing system, but I still don't have an answer on it, besides forming the comune and show to world how it should be done, how to be free and surrounded by love. But even than, I can not see the whole world accepting it, and even if 10% does not accept it, they can ruin everything for billions of people. If you want to protect from people like that, you need to apply similar rules that already exist now, and than you are again finishing one circle and starting another one. I don't know, I can only see us doing it slowly one by one, showing them the way of love and hoping that one day, that will be the standard.

 

my wife and i are talking about a hippy commune/ resort. a group of people would buy a large piece of land by the water and build a small community. we would also build a resort with private cabins - people would come from all around the world for peace and tranquility.

this would give us the life we dream of and at the same time we will have an impact on the outside world. now all we need is to find some money and the people to do it with.

 

There is also so many other things to do to make this world better place.
Check here what I wrote, I just don't want to repeat myself in all of the threads:

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279282&page=2

That is one thing we can change to better immidiately, all other things need some time for planning.
Love and peace, but I really mean that, to everybody!!

 

my thinking on all this is..
i would love to be the most loving caring single induvidual i can be but people just dont accept it anymore. the world has adapted and adapted again to deal with stresses that come on the human race. the media, wars, the government all these kinds of things have morphed for the most part human society forever. the message of peace is not as importent as all the other SHIT in peoples lifes. obviously the messege of peace still lives on in some people but what kind of world is it when people would poke fun at another person for merely expressing love and emotion.

im quite a hateful person myself, i was involved in a gang as a teen and did alot of stuff im not proud of.. i still feel love for every human being or animal to cross my path but these other people do not feel the same as me and some people would be willing to rob from me or kill me if they got the chance, how can i say as a human i love you and i dont want this to go on to someone willing to inflict harm on me to make money or just for the hell of it (no offence to homosexuals but i would be called gay or something then beat up)

so now my general thinking is if you love me (not as a lover) but as just another brother or sister of the human race, i love you.. if you hate me and want to inflict harm i will do whatever i have too, to survive. i think its natural for people to want a peaceful planet but i dont think in our life time we shall ever get it again and this is why our primal survival instincts are how they are today. half the time i think ive lost my mind just trying to sort out how people around me can be happy and how i could benefit the planet with the time i have, then i realised not everyone wants to be helped. people enjoy being full of anger and hate in this day and age, they need help more then anyone but they will NEVER accept it. if the messege of peace gets out to just one person somewhere because someone or something inspired them to realise this love of life, the human race is better off again for we are closer to reaching the goal of a good human existence for everyone.

theres a few people here on hipforums it really makes my day to read that somewhere out there people can still love and the whole world is not doomed.
and for the record F#CK SOCIETY!

 

^^^^
I know exactly how you feel, I also went through a lot of difficult situations in my life.
But, I am not suggesting that you tell people that you love them, show them, send them a real feeling of love. When you said if someone wants to hurt you, you will do everything to survive. I was in a situation when 2 guys pulled the guns on each other and wanted to shoot. I stepped between them and pointed both their guns in my head and started talking with them and calming them down. I was just sending them the feeling of love and talked slowly and gently to both of them. To cut the long story short, we ended up sitting and having drink and had a beautifull evening together. I forgot to tell you that it was the first time I saw both of them, and they were not alone, they were members of opposite gangs, so the whole bunch of people ended up having a party instead of shooting each other. I had many chances where somebody could hurt me, but I was returning feeling of love and not afraid of all, just believing in this beautifull force witch flows through us, and when the moment that they really have to eighter hurt me or back up comes, they were always backing up. Confused, or even saying you are one crazy motherfucker, but they actually never hurt me. One also important thing is that I was not looking for the situations like that so I can do this or that, I was just living my life normaly and it lead me through many of those situations, and I just felt when I need to do something about it, I just opened my mouth and the words were coming out, most important, the perfect set of words. If I was thinking logicaly, I would never step between those two guys, but I learned to trust my feelings, as they are the strings that God is pulling, and there is no way that I will ever refuse to be his pupet. As I said, try to think positive, and less bad things will happen to you and automaticaly your surrounding!
Love you all, even if you think for yourself that you are bad, belive me it is easier to hate than to love, so I choose LOVE!

 

that’s a wonderful story!

i have always been someone to avoid violence at all costs. usually you can work your magic in a way that involves words and not fists. but sometimes shit happens where you can not just talk your way out of it and some self defense is necessary. sometimes a persons intentions can not be swayed. only once in my life have i been in a situation where i had to defend myself - i was snowboarding with some friends of mine when we were 15 or so. we had a few alcoholic beverages and one of my friends and i got into an argument. all of a sudden he jumps on me and starts to punch me in the head. after a couple blows i yelled that if he continued to hit me that i would smash my bottle over his head. he kept swinging so i nailed him in the side of his head with the bottom of my bottle. he stopped hitting me, sat back and tried to suggest that i am a bad person for hitting him with a bottle. whatever - he stopped hitting me. he was bleeding pretty bad - the bottle didn't break which probably made it hurt more. no hospital was needed so it wasn’t too bad. he never hit me again.

i am all about peace and love but i will not just sit back and let myself or anyone in my family be abused. whatever i must do to rectify the situation. i will use my good judgment and will only use force in an absolute last resort of self defense. only when i am certain that there is no other way. i have put a lot of thought into this and at one time i though i would just sit back and let them get away with it and i would be the bigger person but when i really think about it if i was being attacked by a bear i would kill it if i could so why would there be any difference with a human. i eat meat as a means of survival so i see taking life as ok when it is a part of survival.

i live my life in a way that does not attract violence. i walk away before it gets violent. i have been called on to fight many times and of course i walk away every time. i just like to wonder what i might do in certain situations as some sort of mental preparation for something that i hope never happens.

 

I subscribe my lifestyle to total non violence, no meat, no fights, I try to even avoid arguments because violence is a product of thought, not action. But there are certain potential situations, of which I dont care to give details, where I would subscribe to temporary violence, I mean really make the mental choice to kill and the numbers of people killed makes no difference. Hopefully this sort of thing will never occur but it's happening is not exactly doubtful. I could care less what anyone thinks of me after reading this, but the truth is the truth and much hatred dwells in my heart for a certain 'entity' if you will. It's not a matter of wanting to kill, and I surely realize that harbouring negative attachments of ill will towards anyone is damaging to one's own psyche. But this is my present state, hopefully it will change and probably it will in time.

 

GREAT post!!!!

i had 2 live or die situations and i reacted very differently with both. i jumped between a man strangling a teen. he was a dangerous repeat violent offender and when he 'snapped' he had no idea what he was doing. i managed to get him off the kid but he turned on me and began to strangle me. i was so at peace--it was the strangest feeling-i just looked into his eyes with all this love-i was overwhelmed with compassion at that moment. he snapped right out of it---when he realized what he was doing he began to weep. it was a moving experience.

several years later however i was on a vision quest alone in the mountains. 3 days in a man who was living in hiding came down to tell me he had been watching me-it was a bad scene. he left and i was petrified he'd return with not so good intentions. something snapped inside of me and i started to prepare my site for something like that (hide the axe, rope etc) anyway i knew very calmly that without a shadow of a doubt if he came to the site to hurt me that i would kill him. i visualized it--i knew that i could do it. it frightened me to 'know' i could kill a man. i sometimes judge myself harshly for it.

i think it comes down to when it means me dying to save another--no problem. but me dying to feed someone else's sickness---not gonna happen.
but i'm not sure i like that instinct in me--but it is hardwired in us for a reason so maybe i shouldn't judge it? i dunno.

 

hmmm....sounded a bit osama-ish BUT i understand. some days working with the public i see the sludge of humanity and i become a bit like Tool when they say "i'm wishing for that tidal wave" -a cleansing would be nice--not in a hitler kind of way--but a natural selection kind of way. i think global warming is doing that. the earth has a fever--and fevers happen to kill disease. those that plague humanity will be cleansed with natural disasters, illness like master flues. my dad even believes AIDS is a cleanse. with this in mind i think i'll let the universe decide who should live or die.

 

Yea a cleansing is sort of what Im talking about, however it has nothing to do with the 'innocent' civilians who buy into the governments trash. Saying I would kill an american soldier based on his job would be completley irrational and against my belief. In fact, very few people actually are that deluded that murdering innocent people just because they represent an evil government is on their agenda. Nobody in Irag is killing soldiers because they hate America, that is the trash we are benig spoonfed by FoxNews. They are attacking an oppresive, dictating, machine of an occupation, just like ANY country would do if it was being occupied with agressive force. Osama? Do you really believe Osama has anything to do with 9/11? Dude is a straight scapegoat and if ANYONE in this country would educate themselves about Al-Islam they would know what kind of lies they are being forced to believe. Osama, the Taliban, and Al-Queda have nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with Saudi Arabia, a to this day, close partner of America. And remember Afghanistan? ppppfffffff drug sales went up over 80% after we dropped bombs on civilians houses and shot bullets at the ghosts of 'jihad' in the desert. Do you know what real jihad is? The BEST jihad, according to the ultimate source of Islamic rule, Al-Qu'ran? It is giving a bad person the Good Book, or helping someone come closer to God.
What I said may have painted me a 'terrorist' but if you ask me, it is America and those who control us who are the real terrorists. If you were set free by those who enslaved you, would you even know what freedom really is ?

 

you know what relayer-you are ABSOLUTELY right. Osama was a bad comparison---i understand his beef and also i know he wasn't 911--at least not alone. the moment i heard the news i hear a voice say "the government wanted this to happen. they knew it was coming" --i believe a war was needed and therefore created by the U.S.A. i should have said your post sounded a bit like hitler--you sounded like there was a particular group that got your boxers in a bunch. is there a particular group or was it just in general?

 

to me, it seems like our government could have made up some kind of reason to go to war without having to blow up it's own buildings or kill it's own people. i mean...they lie to us everyday, if they wanted to go to war why would that be any different. and really....i kinda don't think the government had anything to do with it.....**Plz don't flame me***

but in order for something that large of scale to happen, a WHOLE lotta ppl would have had to be in on it....i just don't know if you could find and convince that many people to do something like that. especially against your own country.

 

Yea, there is but out of a pathetic fear of being watched (which, trust me, a site like this IS watched) I keep my opinions generally shrouded because dudes is crazy these days :tongue: I realize most of you cant stand rap, but I'll let my man Immortal Technique sum up what Im getting at in a song :

Immortal Technique i live life strangled in death
i walk through the land, where the fallen angel is kept
but i would never bow down, to a pagan heaven
like Roman Gods that were faggots named after the planets
the connotations of revelations, taken for granted
mark of the beast, government, microchips implanted
ill be branded a maniac, for speakin the truth
and ill be murdered as soon as i hit the street with the proof
Illuminati trying to raise the devil at any cost
they probably cloned jesus with the blood, off of the cross
and i know that its the same, motherfuckers i see
that genetically, engineered, HIV
controlling the population according to mathematics
generated by Masons, and the military industry
sponsoring terror, creatin a profit margin that'll last forever
the crusades and Vietnam sandblasted together
if you believe'em whatever
even the federal promise, but the spawn of Shaitan
could never be honest, the poor people pay hommage
and pray to a God, that the Vatican themselves dont really believe in
because they'd rather worship money and the physical demons
witout biblical reason, i execute'em for treason,
i dont need an aliby,
because my place in history,
is the book of Malachi -

 

did you just.....


rap? lol.

 

No, I quoted a hiphop song though :tongue:
If I could rap like him I wouldnt be starving and struggling to feed my son everyday!

 

actually that's not exactly true. there are many people in north america who can rap or sing really fucking good yet they have gone un-noticed. the starving musician is not always a bad musician. i know of a few very talented musicians who are starving or going without many things. lets not forget that it takes a great deal of work and investment to get your music to a place where you start making any money. most people don't have the money or the time to invest in their music because they are too busy working to pay the bills and spending time with their family. what i mean is that if you could rap like your hiphop song guy and you wanted to get noticed then you would have to take away some of the time you spend with your child and spend lots of the money you could spend on you son on your music. i am guessing that you would not be capable of pulling this off even if you could rap really good - given your current situation. in the music business you need a little more than just talent my friend.

there are also many musicians who are bound to a contract with a record company making really good music hardly making enough to get by.

 

Oh yea I know 3xi, my post was very short due to not having time to post my thought but it was more of an all encompassing statement on his entire lifestyle as compared to mine. I dont have the time, the connections, or the general position in life to immediatley go anywhere with my freestyles (which, not to brag but I am fairly good at) because of my dedication to being a single father. With classical guitar playing however, it will never be about making a career out of it, I no longer desire to play in a band and only use my guitar to play solo for personal enjoyment and for my close friends. I do play occaisionally with a friend or two on the weekends to have some fun with jamming, but anymore I am just too busy with work and fathering to devote myself to a band. Hell, I cant even get a ride to a grocery store without a struggle, let alone band practice like I used to! And as time has gone on, for the past year or so my free time has been almost exclusivley devoted to meditation, yoga, and God and Soul searching, and my desire to get into my other habits has been (not completley) replaced for the most part. Sure, even when I play music, God is on my mind and is what I devote my playing to, but the pull to learning more about respect, acceptance, love and higher tantric yoga has almost entirely taken ahold of my mind and spirit

 

duude, immortal technique is the man. you just gained even more cool points in my book relayer.
which gives you a total of 37387 cool points
i highly recommend the song 4th branch.

oddly enough, i found out about it after i heard it on a local radio station.
great instrumental, better lyrics.

for the record, the rap hierarchy is fucked. talented ones like technique who have something to say, and teach, struggle to make money, while talentless myspace fanboys like souljah boy make millions.

neodude, i gotta disagree with the part about many people having to be in on the event of 911 to pull off a covert act like that. it could easily be done by a few, most senators are left in the dark. some few would know and the rest would react naturally.

 

killuminati, your the man!
There seems to be many different kinds of people involved with LSD use heavily, and we are all so diverse. Im a kid who grew up in Philly, I use to stay out all night and play basketball and freestyle since I was kid, smoking blunts and grabbing every underground hiphop album I could find. That's just what we did, I didnt know about this whole hippy lifestyle growing up, my dad was an alcoholic punk rock leftover and my mom was a straight edged strict disciplinarian, and as they were divorced I was exposed to many different things, but always broke eating pasta without sauce five nights a week :tongue:
Some people are lucky in that they naturally evolved towards the LSD scence and radical thinking because their parents are down or they had friends who as a group naturally grew into the herb smoking, open minded kids who found LSD sources at jam shows and bought mass quantity off college kids. The kids I grew up with had no idea what LSD was and I sort of was just naturally drawn to it like a moth to a lamp. After taking magic mushrooms first, and then LSD, suddenly I absorbed all of this different thinking and my music appreciation spread out (I was 14 when I starte tripping, buying off of ghetto kids slangin shrooms! haha) into completley different realms, classical music, psychedelic, Indian, Middle eastern, bluegrass, techno, etc. But hiphop has always remained as my main sound, the drum and bass is the rythm of life to me, the pumping of blood throughout my body and the lyrical flow of the stream of consciousness freestyles. When I was 16 I left home for good and never went back, met up with the Rainbow Family (by a very strange course of events) and traveled the country out north west and south east, frying my brains out in the woods surrounded by long haired freaks, native americans, homeless bums and fairy dancers. I absorbed the lifestyle of the road and saw America through the eyes of a very rare breed, both the complete ghetto and the open forest. All sorts of culture grows in me, and the amount of diverse people I've not only met but have lived is probably the reason why going to God and accepting all of humanity as my family came so essentially and naturally to me.
I dont care what anyone thinks when I listen to my music and jump from Immortal Technique to Bach, Khadafi to early Genesis, King Crimson to Deltron, Otis Redding to Don Cherry, Old And In The Way to Brazilian Girls, etc. When you can appreciate and listen to ALL kinds of music with an open mind, there is no limit to enjoyment. I can understand why some people just cant feel hiphop, it's probably similar to how I just cant feel country. But to deny that there are artists out there with something to say, judging by what you hear on the radio, is completley uneducated, closed minded, inexperienced BS that should never be spewed by anyone in the dark because it only proves one's own limitation in comprehension. Hiphop, as of right now, has FAR more to say about the current political, socio economical, spiritual, and artistic state of the world than most genres of music, and there ARE fans who are feeling a massive shift of consciousness directly caused by and influenced by this music. Just because the current rock played on the radio is pretty boy music, emo, and the same rehashed harsh voice rock acoustic ballad, does not mean that bands like Lightning Bolt, Hella, and Deerhoof dont exist. Same with hiphop. Open your mind, your ears, and your heart to a culture that has been opressed and is simply expressing itself and learn a little bit. You might just see how extremely powerful and intelligent hiphop really is in the underground. And some of the songs (4th Branch being one of them) tie COMPLETLEY into what this entire thread is about, bringing about a more accepting and fair change to the political atmosphere and ending the unjust war on drugs and terror. There are hundreds of thousdands, if not millions, of people hearing extremely thought provoking poems from artists who make it the focus of their entire talent and production to bring about change in the underground. Music is music, and we all have our own preferences. But to say that hiphop has no talent and lacks intelligence is a vast, uneducated lie.