what is wrong with society & why did i post this in the LSD section?

I dont exactly agree that LSD is meant to cure societies ills at the present moment. I think someday, when we are more evolved as a family, LSD is a tool that I believe will bring people closer together. But as it stands right now, not too many people are even down for taking it.
It's the same with the evolution of God consciousness. Not many people are ready to take that path in life, and during this yuga cycle, not many people at any one given same ever are.
For the people who have used LSD and continue to do so, it is helping them break out of the false sense of security that society puts on them, and for some it is helping them in their search to know God. But in general? People cant accept this, they dont want the change that we here on the forum are looking for. At least not yet. I agree that having alcohol pushed in our faces the way it is, contributes to much degradation of society. But I also think that LSD, being that it IS a drug and that there are many people who misuse it, would have a similar effect.
If it was legal, then trips would be a lot better because people would not be afraid to get together and share the warmth. But to have it replace alcohol? I just dont see that as even being a remote possibility of having basis in reality.
And only because people are just not ready for that kind of change. Sure, I would love it, you would love it, many people would love it. But to some people, LSD is far more evil than alcohol and no matter what you do to try and change their minds, we just have to accept that they dont see like we see. They dont hear like we hear. And even if they were to try LSD, doesnt mean they would even like it. A lot of people hate it and cant stand the reality of coming to terms with the fact that they are not in control.
Alcohol, in my opinion, is not evil and should not be taken away from society. I no longer care to drink, but if a beer was handed to me, especially a warm ale on a cold winter night, I would be happy to have one.

 

I disagree on this one RELAYER. Alcohol kills so many people and many of those deaths can be attributed to the fact it is legal. LSD at least does not cause health complications. No substance should be illegal in my book because that it is a method of controlling the masses. There would not be nearly as much crime if all substances where legal simply because they are legal. Legalizing all drugs would surely make this world a better place.

 

Making alcohol legal in lieu of many other wonderful substances shows a preference and causes people to think that alcohol is somehow better for you than substances which will not cause health problems. We even advertise for it on television, so what is everyone supposed to think? That is one part of society that is REALLY fucked up imo.

 

The concept that one person can posses enough energy to cause a societal change is a bit out of touch with the truth of the matter. You can't be the next prophet of messiah. You just have to share and show what you know to close personal friends. Let it spread slowly, gradually.

Or perhaps, you, can posses enough energy?
But I know for me, I can't. So I just sit back and watch.
Even bitching takes a bit too much energy. So I just sit and watch.
Or talk about it with those that want to listen.

 

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....what?

 

Well when you said
"recieve our divine blessing and insight, and then do nothing at all"

it seemed like you were saying thats wrong to do
But I'm saying, for the vast vast majority, thats all you can do
Just take what you get and make it improve your own personal life
and maybe the lives of close friends if they wish to listen

To be able to take a divine blessing or insight and then project it out to the
whole world and change all of society would make you a messiah or something. That takes way more individual will then I have
and I'd imagine more than anyone has.

All you can do is just, take it for yourself, hold it for yourself
and do nothing at all, unless someone else also wants it

 

What do you disagree with, that I feel that alcohol should be legal? I dont quite understand what you mean.
I realize that alcohol kills people, so do cigarettes and fast food. And when alcohol was made illeagle, many people died as a result. It's something that just is not going to change any time soon, because it is a part of our culture. The one force in this world that next to entirley rooted alcohol out of it's society is the one everyone seems to hate and make fun of : al-Islam.
And I realize that LSD doesnt cause health complications but the change of mind it brings is feared not only by the powers that be but by a lot of civilians as well.

 

fast food was an interesting thing to bring up that totally made me change my origional answer. normally i half-joke that if prohibition was returned for alcohol that i'd vote for it. i abhor it THAT much. then in your question you bring up cigarettes and i think--yup--wipe them off the earth! but then you bring up fast food....hmmm....i agree it kills just as many and costs us billions in health care with blood pressure, diabetes, obesity....but now i'll be told what not to eat to? hmm....what else isn't "good for us" that might be banned? its a slippery slope.

this being said, i would rather lean to keeping alcohol legal but raise awareness & make everything else legal to--give free will back to the people.

 

i disagree. one person can change the world or at the very least influence the world around them. take ghandi, buddah, krishna, jesus, mother teresa, lady diana, oprah, timothy leary....HOFFMAN!!!! HOFFMAN changed EVERYTHING!

who are you to say someone can't be a messiah? why would you be so cruel as to limit someone's potential? we are all messiah's!

 

We are all sons of God, of course, we are one human family. But the way I see it, for a person to be a messiah, or an avatar to be more clear on what is being said, it would be known from birth. Not by us, but by an advanced master. Avatars are just about liberated at birth and have next to no karma to interact with because there only reason for being here is to usher souls to heaven. Sri Yukteswar was one, Yogananda Paramahansa was one, there are many more, the jazz player Don Cherry was one in my opinion. Steve Howe is another, both musicians who help the godless touch the spiritual side through sound alone. They arent all fully liberated avatars but they are more than likely not going to be materializing again, at least not on our plane.
And I dont mean to put anyones potential down here, but we are ALL riddled with karma and desire. It is said that EVERY desire one ever has, even something as basic as desiring through thought an ice cream cone, must be fulfilled through negation in order to attain final moksha, sat chit ananda, the level of Christ. So its easy to see that none of us are there. We can get there quickly through proper yoga however...

 

not only do i think that all drugs should be legal i don't think that there shoudl be any laws period.

i dont think that anything should be illegal. there are consequences to all actions so we do not need a law to enforce.

i think that we can find better more positive ways to ensure that people and huge multi million dollar companies stay honest. i definitely think that we will need some way to uncover the true workings of large companies. maybe we could have other companies who do audits and publish their findings on line. every company would allow the auditors to do their thing because if they didn’t people would wonder what that company has to hide. basically people would only do business with companies that have regular audits by unaffiliated companies. it would probably be a good idea to have 3 separately operated companies that do the audits so that each company would be audited 3 times to ensure accuracy. when i say audit i am not just talking about money. they would investigate absolutely every aspect of each company.

keeping people honest could be as easy as having a website that people can post warnings about people. if your rights have been violated by someone you can post your story online so that others can be aware of an individuals past. if you just meet someone you can do a search of their name on line to see what kind of history they have. of course there will be lots of instances where people make up stories about people so there would have to be some sort of proof or maybe a list of witnesses with their experiences as well to verify the story.

 

yes but people want justice. that's why there are laws. if there were no laws, that would just be crazy. it would pretty much spell chaos. if someone kills your family, your not gonna smile and type a story online, and then wait for karma to run it's course.

 

how can you tell me what i would do?

how in the hell do you know me better than i know my self?

not everyone feels the need to enforce justice because many people believe that justice will naturally be served without any human intervention. i am one of these people.

i have had friends steal money or drugs off of me and what did i do? i told them to pay me back when they can. - knowing full well that the price they will naturally have to pay for stealing off of a friend is far worse than anything i could do.

thinking that we need to enforce justice implies that there is no such thing as karma. once you truly believe in karma you will be able to understand why enforcing laws and ensuring justice are unnecessary and in most cases cause more problems.

 

I completely agree 3xi, karma is real and in fact, I do think most people in the world believe in karma or something very similar. In Christianity, god is all powerful and will punish sins. Most religions I think say something to the effect of "karma is real." I guess if neodude is implying that the majority of people are blood thirsty animals who want to see immediate pain caused to their enemies then I am going to have to disagree. If there were no laws and someone killed your family neodude, can you honestly say you would want to go on a killing spree out of revenge? I can in no way see the average person killing people out of revenge or killing anyone for any reason for that matter. An eye for an eye we both lose our sight.

Moving on
" maybe we could have other companies who do audits and publish their findings on line"
What would stop theses companies from getting bribed to change their results? What would stop the corporations from threatening theses companies with violence?

 

I think there's other factors you need to consider though. I'm not going to get deep into it, but I think it may be based on the magnitude of the effects LSD has, a few beers isn't going to put somebody on a psychotic stupor like a few of hits of LSD could if given to the wrong person. Though it is strange however that people seem to have a belief that the hard substances which are legal must be so much better than other recreational drugs, but that's what propaganda has done to the scene.

 

good point.

having 3 companies that do the auditing would make it much more difficult to bribe or threaten for results.

in order to prove to the people that the companies that are doing the auditing are being honest as well. the auditing companies would have to pay other companies to watch over them. maybe they could be under 24/7 on site and video surveillance throughout the auditing process. anyone involved in the audit would have to agree to have their lives monitored (bank accounts, who they spend the night with, who calls them, always have a video camera watching them, etc...)

there will always be a way to get away with doing bad things. we can do what we can to eliminate the opportunity to cheat the system. i am not experienced with such matters so my ideas are still very raw. i am sure if enough thought was put into it the same system that enforces the laws could easily become the system that monitors big company practices.

i am not suggesting that there is a way to eliminate the evil that goes on in the world of big business. i am suggesting that there are things we can do instead of law enforcement that will accomplish the same thing if not better. law enforcement has never been able to eliminate evil. i am not looking for a way to rid the world of all the bad things.

 

I didn't read all the posts in this thread for a reason. The only way "society" can become perfect, is for EVERYONE to realize that the person next to them is different and has a different view of what PERFECT is.

This answer is also what causes so much hate, greed, and violence that you see in the world today. Some people can't get to the fact that there view of perfection is different from everyone else's. And some people will go so far to achieve perfection, that it causes others to suffer. Which gets me to my final point. Perfection as a word is not something that can be a achieved in this lifetime. Every action must have an equal and oppisite reaction. Positive and Negative. Ying and Yang. Its what makes the world go around. Its all connected. ONE.

Love, God, or happiness is the only thing that cannot be explained in words or math. Which is why it is perfect to me.

 

not anywhere in this entire thread did anyone but the people against the idea of change say anything about a perfect world.


we are not after a perfect world. we are looking to make the world a better place.

/\/\ /-\ R K - what are you saying? that because the world cant be perfect we should all just stop trying to make it better and just live with it. is that what you are trying to say?

 

you guys always take everything i say and blow it out of proportion.


3xi when i said "you" i did not mean "you". i meant a generalization of all people.
and elfin. good god. if someone killed my family or if someone killed anyone's family, i never said i thought the answer would be to go on a killing spree. wtf.

you can't run a society without laws based on the notion of karma. karma is something you can't even prove exist. so how is that even viable to suggest that it be used as punishment for crimes. and i know for sure the people that kill and steal don't believe in it, so how long do you think they will keep on commiting crimes?

 

you don't have to believe in karma for it to exist in your life.

karma effects us all whether or not we believe it.

i know that you were making a general statement. in the general statement you were including all of us - me included. i just wanted to make sure that you are aware that you can speak for yourself but not the rest of society. believe it or not there are millions of people who believe in and understand karma.