what is wrong with society & why did i post this in the LSD section?

hmmm. thats not where it begins and ends, you and i know that there's much more to it than that.

 

I kind of agree with your points. I was well aware of the flaws in society before I ever took acid, not to mention pretty deep and philosophical. It just helped me realized the flaws within myself, and that I am not so above everybody else as I may have once thought I was. Not saying this is the case for all of us, but in some way a lot of us lie to ourselves in some form whether it be big or small. I realized with the aid of LSD (otherwise I'd ignore such instinct) that I had got sucked into some of my own lies and was more aware of my guilty conscious. I clearly use to have a problem with alcohol, LSD helped me realize my ignorance and I quickly stopped the abuse of alcohol.

You just need to realize that some people here get / have got sucked into the effectiveness of LSD as a tool to aid onesself, thus concluding it as the answer to society's problems. I don't think this is the case. I know plenty of people who use it for what it is, a drug, and nothing more. It's a chemical, and it's effects are a result of a chemical reaction when put into ones body. Take psychedelics as you want, but there really is no right or wrong way to use them. It's a scheduled drug not intended for human consumption all over the world. People have done stupid shit on it, and people will continue to in the future. That's reality. There are plenty of smart and enlightened people who came along way being sober. It's all about being logical and having common sense, and achieving the goals you set for yourself in life, not what society tells you how it should be. It opens up new perspectives for some people, and helps them realize that some paths aren't as narrow as they may have thought. But you don't need a drug to do that, just be open minded and smart about your decisions.

Let's face it, society isn't going to reward anybody for using LSD, except for a fat jail sentence if they are caught with it.

 

have you ever done lsd? just curious

 

finally....someone with a little bit of damn sense...


and how exactly do you guys plan on getting rid of taxes? why are they so bad anyway? i know they are a bitch...but they are pretty vital to everything that you enjoy on a day to day basis. setting up businesses to get rid of the middle man, to where ppl pay directly to schools and hospitals would never work. taxes cover so much more than schools and hospitals, and btw, how many of you would really go throw your money into stuff like that if you weren't forced to?

 

yes.

 

Now you are contributing! My idea was to pretty much get rid of school. Most every person I know agrees that school is useless and no one remembers most of it even if they do get all As. It is largely a horrid experience. Giant libraries should be the new schools and they should be filled with computers. There could be a a few good general knowledge teacher-like people in each library to help people get started on the net and enroll in online courses, activities and forums. I wouldn't put my kid through public school, I would surely join a homeschooling group. We should legally have to either do a homeschooling group for young kids, or pay for a private school. Face it, most kids don't want to learn and they would learn much better if they felt comfortable.

 

^dude, without school you would be an ignorant waste of air. You dont realize it, but being exposed to education from an early age hasprofoundly shaped you as an intellectual being.

Without education, no one would be having this philosphical discussion on this right now

 

I think you need to do alot more of it, just my opinion.

 

I completely disagree, I don't think that going to school everyday to be forced into memorizing someone elses opinions is the best way to learn. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

I suppose that now we are delving into a slightly philosophical side of reform/ This is especially true given my last post which seems to question the validity of the material that is focused on in schools. Did you know that British text books are removing civil rights in attempts to improve black attitude and test scores? Apparently if you don't tell a people how they got here, they will be less resistant to society. It makes me wonder how many times our textbooks were rewritten and fabricated.

 

:agree:

 

not true...

human children are like sponges. we learn how to speak before we go to school! - how in the hell do we do that?

and he is not talking about an absence of learning at all. he is just saying that most schools now a days are a waste of time.

i spent a good few years learning how to write (not print but write)... and now that i have gown up i never ever write .... only to sign my signature and that doesnt even look like my name. now we use computers to type instead - no one writes anymore... and that is just one of many examples of how school is a waste of time.

children learn better when they are interested. the school system is flawed in many ways. taking your kid out of school would not rob them of an education. people can become educated in life through many different means. all of the ideas that elfin1mf has are very good. the modern world has made it easier to spread knowledge with the internet. teach your children how to talk, read, print, use a computer, and let them decide how they want to learn, let them decide what they want to learn. - children are full of adventure - every one of them is in search of a meaning to their life. stupid people think that our children will just grow up to be worthless shit balls without some sort of strict guidance. when really all children need is the freedom to grow up into the person they want to be.

basically my point is that you dont need school to be an intellectual human being. the truth is that most people learn more about life after school - that is true for me.

i think that education should be more streamlined. for example - a baker does not need to understand algebra to do what he does so why bother filling up your mind with useless shit. if someone wants to learn algebra to exercise their mind because they are interested in such things then by all means but to say that it is a required part of someone’s education is bull shit.

 

School is a good preperation for jail. So I benefited immensley during my time spent incarcerated. :tongue:
More than likely I will have to send my son to public school but really, what else can I do? I have to work overtime as it is to even stay alive and have a place to live, I dont have the ability to do homeschool, neither does his mom. Not all of us are so lucky, and therefor public school is a blessing. Maybe it isnt all peaches and cream, but it is a way to learn how to deal with the harsh reality that is life. The only problem with school that I worry about is kids blowing peopple away with guns. Other than that, yea school sucks, so does the rest of all of our lives if you cant transcend your situation and let it consume you.

 

so let me get this strait... not only do you disrespect what LSD is. "just a drug and nothing more" but you actually agree with the fact that it is illegal. are you sure your not on these forums to educate yourself before you look at becoming a cop.

 

i hear ya, most of us are not in a position to be able to home school our children.

i went to school and although i know i would have been better off with a different scenario i did turn out fine. i am happy to be alive and i did find a better way of life eventually so no big deal. whatever school did was nothing that a few good doses of LSD couldn’t fix.

we are not saying that the world is a horrible place as we are all aware that it could be much worse. what we are saying is that we are not satisfied and something must be done to bring us a better tomorrow. we must be thankful for what we have at the same time that we realize that things could be much better.

 

well, you guys dont sound thankful at all.

and as for schooling, i think that is totally necessary. i guess we can cuss, since this is a free speech things, so i describe kids as, "bad little destructive fuckers". and you all know they are cuz you used to be. without school, ppl would be totally idiotic b/c they would never educate themselves. also, school serves as a social model to prepare kids for society. now....i know you guys hate society and all...but the fact is, we live in one, so they need to be prepared to live in one.

 

"Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule."

-Gandalf, "The Return of the King"

 

What a one track mind, did it ever occur to you that the reason kids are lazy could have something to do with influence of others? If the kid was never exposed to a lazy attitude (such as the attitude which younger kids think is 'cool' in schools") then the child will find interest in learning. Children soak up what they perceive and it becomes part of them, that is the only way they are able to exist. Ironically, children are also largely the only true individuals of our race. If they see nothing but a majority of destructive behavior then they will demonstrate what they know, they won't magially be granted the ability to do something they never heard or saw. It is your own fault that you have not been able to see the purity and natural beauty of children.

 

say what you want about how magical children are, but they will never ever go to learn on their own free will. that doesn't even sound like a child. children want to do what they want to do, all the time, and that really doesn't involve learning. see reality man.

 

what didn't you understand neodude, everyone creates their own reality. No one sees the world like you just as no person sees it like me. To some people, life is no more than a game or a quest for drugs. For some people life is about their job and money. For some people life is a magical dream world. It is all up to you what reality is man and if yours sucks then I am sorry for you, but don't go telling everyone else that they need to see things the way you do. I have worked with children before and it seemed that every word I said seemed to enchant them. What they want to do is all they know, all they have seen. If they only saw the a life where learning is exciting, they would become a person who loved to learn.

Of course they wont hop in a car and drive themselves to a place they have never been to learn out of nowhere, anything they do they have been set up to do.