What is with this organic bashing/ignorance?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Carlfloydfan, Oct 31, 2007.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I liked all the studies Fitzy cited. They all took the assumption that the reason some people prefer organic is because it contains better nutrition. What a waste of time!

    They should've been meauring the ADDITIVES that are found in non-organically produced food. That is the main difference. The chemicals that are purposely added to increase PROFIT to the farmer and AGRICULTURAL CHEMICAL INDUSTRY at the expense of our health. Why didn't they just measure THAT?

    Of course it is interesting to note that there are actual differences in the quantity of nutrition in organic foods vs non-organic. Whether this is due to the added water content of non-organic or because the growing methods produced more nutritious food is nearly irrelevant.

    There are QUALITATIVE difference not just in the few nutritional variables we can measure, but in the QUALITY OF LIFE that accompanies organic growing, esp. for the soil, the surrounding environment, and the planet as a whole.

    Indeed there may be a whole slew of other variables that come into play by creating a sustainable farm vs. growing food in a chemically enhanced, otherwise barren soil bereft of nearly all life forms.

    So it's not just about YOU, and whether you like eating organic or non-organic produce. It's about the WORLD you want to live in, the INDUSTRIES you support by your food purchases, the harm being done everyday to our planet and our children by Industrial farming.

    And unlike many things we have no control over, YOU can indeed do something about it, by making DIFFERENT choices everyday about what you eat.

    Please check out my class, You Are What You Eat to learn more about our food choices and how they affect us and this precious planet we share...
     
  2. stinkfoot

    stinkfoot truth

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    I find it ironic that the virus (people) that infect the Mother Earth are effectively doing themselves in with less than healthy diet as well as misinformation about what is healthy. Organic, whole foods are hands down the best but sadly not the most profitable for big business. Advertisements and labeling on most manufactured "food" constitute half truth and disinformation at best.

    I'll cut through the numbers and passionless data to give the following truth concerning the food supply in general: its primary purpose is to make money for the rich and not to nourish you. Every person who is in a position to make meal decisions owes it to themselves and those who rely on their decisions to do nutritional research- there is no excuse for failing to do so. More important than the price tag is the ingredients list- each item listed to be weighed on the basis of whether it belongs in the natural food chain. Organic food grown without pesticides and chemical fertilizers is best. Colors, preservatives, sugars, salts, and other artificial flavorings are present to make it more profitable by enhancing its visual appearance, flavor, and shelf life... just as Skip posted.

    As a whole we are allowing ourselves to be slowly killed off big business- which is keeping us alive just long enough to rob us. We can piss and moan about how it is happening to us but we are just as guilty by allowing it to go on.
     
  3. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    there's nothing better than the farmers market. but it's not open year round.
     
  4. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    is it really double though? maybe where you are.

    I usually notice about a 10-50 cent jump in price per pound when going from non organic to organic. some a little less, some a little more. Obviously I graviate towards the organic fruits that are in the +10-20 cent range.

    In fact with some fruits/veggies, the difference between organic and non is so close that when there is a sale on organic, you can sometimes find organic for 10...20 cents cheaper than non organic! Like I found with some organic onions once when they were on sale. I also found some organic grapes on sale which were cheaper than the non organic grapes! Look for weekly sales.
    farmers markets are getting cheaper too as more people start to support local farmers. a pound of eggplant for $1, yes ;)!!

    The one thing is very expensive here is organic yogurt though, that is 40% more or so!!
     
  5. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    god, i know. my daughter loves yogurt and granola for breakfast. dave has picked up on it, too. so our organic yogurt habit is expensive.

    but at some point in time, when you can't afford to pay your bills but still have to buy food for your family, it's amazing how easily your standards will slide.
     
  6. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    Maybe some others here have this experience that I and people around me have noticed. It seems difficult to go back to non-organic foods after being on organic for a while. For example, getting sore throats from non-organic apples. Non-organic meats seem difficult to digest when trying to go back to them.

    Maybe we get used to the chemicals and additives and don't realize it until after we've been away from them and then start consuming them again.

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  7. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    You got it! Once you go organic, you can't go back! :)

    Imagine, several generations of kids raised on chemically enhanced foods. And we wonder why our society is so fucked up, so fat, so unhealthy!

    It's pretty sad when you think of what we've lost to commercialization and industrialization of our food suppy...
     
  8. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    In order to feed an ever growing population sacrifices to health had to be made for the greater good.

    With that said, I acknowledge that profit was often the driving force [​IMG]


    Hotwater
     
  9. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    That's not a drawback. All the health damage is good business for the 'healthcare' industry. :)

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  10. stormyy

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    I think the term "organic" has been cheapened by the rise of "organic" junk food.

    I saw organic Cheetos at the store recently. Are you kidding me? Just because the label says organic, does not mean that Cheetos are suddenly good for you.
     
  11. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    not necessarily, i like to go out late at night and secretly spray pesticides on any organic gardens i can find...
     
  12. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    oh that's just hilarious... [​IMG]
     
  13. tuesdaystar

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    Organic produce tastes better. I'm sure it's healthier, but I think that being the imperfect beings that we are we might not live long enough to really make a difference, though nobodys doing a study to see how many years organic food adds to your life, maybe I'm wrong.

    If I had all the money I could use I would eat only organic, but the cheap stuff keeps me alive and considering the other unhealthy things i need to change more organic food might seem more affordable if i quit fucking smoking
     
  14. lace_and_feet

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    What is wrong with their use of "normal?" Non-organic food has, after all, been the norm in the US for some time. At least they're shopping in the produce section at all. I can't tell you how many times I've peered into people's shopping carts during check-out only to see nothing but processed junk.

    I understand you're just ranting though, and I agree that it is odd (and sad) what we consider normal, but I doubt the people asking you where the "normal" produce is are intentionally trying to bash organic food.
     
  15. neurotica_xxx

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    I eat organic as much as possible...
     
  16. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    all i can say, though, is that organic apples are crap every time i get them. the veggies aren't so much a problem except they turn quickly. but the organic apples are always limp and pithy.
     
  17. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    Yeah. The marketers are onto it.

    I was trying to find a spaghetti sauce without sugar in it. A few years ago, all the major U.S. brands started loading it up with sugar. I looked at organic Prego. It has organic sugar in it, and the same amount as in the non-organic version.

    BTW, Ragu spaghetti sauce has 13 grams of sugar in a half cup. If I did the math right, that's the same amount of sugar on a per volume basis as a can of pop.

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  18. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    make your own sauce. it's SUPER easy, and tastes so much better.
     
  19. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    btw, tomatoes and tomato sauce are also naturally full of sugar. adding sugar to it is lame, though. i can't stand to eat other people's food anymore. it sees like EVERYONE puts sugar in everything these days. and what's with all the honey mustards and honey this and honey that? good lord, it's dinner, not dessert. okay, i'm done with my sugar rant.
     
  20. skip

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    I just read a new article in Mother Earth News that reports that Organic Eggs contain 3-10 times the nutritional value of non-organic eggs, while the non-organic eggs contain more fat and cholesterol.

    So there are quantitative and qualitative differences in nutrition between organic and non-organic foods!
     
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