What is the Price Per Kilowatt of Electricity where you live?

I have no idea how to find that info, but my average cost per day is $4.

My August bill was about $119.

I don't know if that helps

 

California is a bit pricy for electricity - almost Hawaii prices...here, it's about 0.12/kwhr flat rate. I use a 'time of use demand' plan, where I get 0.068/kwhr except for a short peak period, 6-9pm summer, 6-9 am winter weekdays where it's maybe 0.20/kwhr. I'm charged about $5/kw for my highest 15 minute demand rate on peak, and like $1.75 off peak, so it's to encourage keeping your peak demand low. There is a 4-hour discount period at night in the summer, afternoon for the winter, where it's dirt cheap, like 0.025/kwhr, so if you're heating water or drying clothes, that's a good time.

About 80% of my usage comes out off peak, I have all gas appliances - hot water, dryer, stove, heat, so my peak demand is low with just one AC and one minisplit, the rest is peanuts. Summer, I'll top out below 5kW for peak demand in the summer, maybe a third of that for the winter.

I always make out ahead over a flat rate with doing nothing special, really....maybe precooling before 6pm.

Understand, too, that California shut down much of its generating capacity and much of its power is bought on the spot market, wheeled in from the Pacific Northwest, or such. We have a nuke here that runs at about 110% 24/7 cranking out, where a lot gets wheeled into the northeast spot market during peak times....$$$....

I'm putting in a new heat pump to replace my ailing ac, with gas furnace backup....I plan to use the heat pump for most of the time except for peak hours and when it gets below, say, 40 degrees, blast heat during the discount periods..

I'd plan on more than $200/mo if you are using resistance/toaster heat plus heating water...yow
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East Texas:

If you’re on a contract, rates are around 10-13c/kwh. It’s deregulated and there’s tons of service providers, which are essentially middlemen. It’s a weird system but it works. They buy power from the providers who own the plants (there are many), sell it back to you, and a third party (Oncor) is responsible for grid maintenance.

Up in WNY the billing has a lot of fuckery, but from what I gather it’s around 13.5c/kwh, and there’s no competition: we have a monopoly.

 

Many areas are not deregulated monopolies....as here, there are many mom and pop municipal utility companies that all ponied up to build common nukes from their provider, Duke. If they deregulated, there would be a wave of defaults on the financing these smaller guys put up...essentially, they are pass through utilities that maintain their grid and charge a bit more for wheeling the power. I think the only choice we have is to figure out how to use less....thank God for gas here.....still a bargain !

 

Power grids are silly and antiquated now but they (the hierarchy enslaving you) certainly does not want people to achieve power self sufficiency.

Here is where I learned everything I needed to get off the grid https://www.youtube.com/@WillProwse/videos

And the DIY forum DIY Solar Power Forum

It came easy to me cause I already had experience with electrical projects but its really not difficult at all.

Its just a shame solar has become a scammer industry, telemarketers and door knockers loans and leases then contractors and electricians bla bla bla no thanks. Then the dirt-bag government their permits and inspectors and the dirt-bag insurance companies try get on your back too. It really is a shame cause the solar works so well but DIY you can totally beat the system quick.

I don't know just study it before talking to any of those clowns and if you can build a ground array cause most of the hassles come with putting it on the house.

Solar technology and the new batteries work. Enough sun lands on any residential roof to make all the electric anyone needs. Same with shopping centers most office buildings. The grid should just be taken down like the old twisted pair telephone lines.

We had the war of the currents with Tesla and Edison but now DC power is the way to go we only need those inverters to make AC cause that's the standard now for appliances. AC was better for distribution from a central plant but that's it. The most efficient motors are those BLDC motors used in the best air-conditioners and refrigerators. AC is definitely antiquated now.

I think off grid solar is going to win, these power companies are going to try and hold on like dying dinosaurs but check out the DIY Solar Power Forum people are really into building this stuff. I am still adding on, its fun.

Actually Mexico and countries like it may beat us to full solar. You want solar on your house you just buy it and put it not 10,001 suffocating stupid regulations like America and they have more sun.

 

If you need to be off grid, like in the middle of nowhere, fine, but I can't seem to make the arithmetic work on dropping $50k to "save" $150/mo, unless you're in Southern California or Hawaii... My neighbor has 6kW on his roof, it's very slanted toward the utility as far as what he "earns"...he can only get credit for what he consumes - the rest goes on the grid for free. I have a friend that has too much money, he put like 15kW on the roof, two tesla batteries....yeah, but he spent like $75k on it...has two plug in hybrid cars....but you really need to have storage to make it work - it doesn't make sense otherwise, yeah, if you can get the tax subsidies and rebates and such, but bam one strike or transient, and there goes your $1000 inverter....my neighbor has had the service guys there six times since he had it installed, so net zero there.

Batteries are big bucks....and you need more than just a few car batteries to string up a few light bulbs.

I do see some farm land here that used to be tobacco they have converted to solar farms....but that only works with tax subidies...the power company is in business to sell power, not buy it from us.

 

PG&E will be making payments indefinitely to pay all the penalties for burning down some large areas in California. At some point they will bankrupt the electricity consumers or be taken over by the state of disasters.

 

Well, California will needs to get their shit together on how they handle fires....we can read a license plate from a satellite, but nobody can see smoke until it's a huge inferno.. Put a few thousand illegals to work on their citizenship by being fire spotters...

 

You didn't watch any of the videos or do any research at all and totally ignored my post about how red tape and installers is what makes solar unaffordable.

"My neighbor has 6Kw on his roof ... "


There is 6kw $480 and I put no effort into shopping around. A budget of under $5,000 for components say good-buy to electric bills.

Can you run the dryer and electric stovetop at the same time on a DIY budget system no, probably why they want to ban natural gas.

".my neighbor has had the service guys there six times since he had it installed, so net zero there. " Dude has 10s of thousands of dollars for toys but can't troubleshoot a simple home solar setup??

The Mc Mansion suburbanite types get so ripped off lol

This ain't a hobby for dummies but its 2024 if you want to teach yourself how electricity and all this stuff works its all online for free. I posted the best links for learning.

 

Somebody probably tore apart an end of life capitalized solar farm, that's why these are used, cheap....at that price, who cares how efficient they are now.

Of course it's a scam what the install guys charge....they prey on the whole finance package they throw at everyone - subsidies, rebates, they even loan you money for the rest..THEN there are the guys who pretty much lease your rooftop..

Yeah, mc mcmansion guy has far too much money....this was a big toy, I think... the 6kW neighbor couldn't figure his way out of a wet paper bag...

Now, we solve the storage issue cheaply and bingo and a 5kW string inverter and we're in business. I just don't really have the exposure...I'd really like to have an array at ground level, where they are easily managed, cleaned and re-aimed seasonally. Hopefully there will be a lot of aged EV batteries on the secondary market for this..

 

Right now we are paying 14.9 Cdn cents KWH for my rural home in Saskatchewan Canada and 15.9 Usd cents KWH in Montana rural home. Plus all the other charges they add on.

 

I love California - it’s where I was born and raised - but this isn’t the only place where California needs to get their shit together. Their land use still sucks and is reflected in housing prices, they had great ideas with the Altamont wind farm and Ivanpah solar plant, and yet they kill the latter two with ENVIRONMENTAL concerns (birds). It’s a weirdly dysfunctional place and I’ve never understood why. It’s also a shame because my bias prompts me to still proclaim it as perhaps the most awesome place on the planet. I’d just rather live in Slab City than Redwood City.

W/R/T this thread, Ivanpah is particularly annoying. It’s solar thermal but because it uses some kind of salt thing to carry the collected heat to then generate steam for the turbines, it can actually generate electricity until a little before dawn. This feels like the future to me, especially if you have either actual batteries or use a water reservoir battery, the latter something which has been used for a while in California and other places. The bloom has been off of it ever since it fried a few birds after it was built. The mirrors got different aiming and the problem is basically solved. UGH!!!!

 

About 0.18 per kwh

 

In Euro

If with two tariffs (cheap night, expensive day):
Cheap: 0.0469
Expensive: 0.0955

If one tariff: 0.0794

+ 0,013239 eco tax

+ some minor fixed fees.