What is the Christian Conservatives Problem with the term 'Holiday Tree'?

No.

No.

What the hell, let it cover everything.

Who cares, its a fucking tree.
Do people have no other problems in their life that the issue of what to name the tree is so important?

Fuckit, they should put whatever they want where ever they want and i'll burn it down on my way home from work.

It's a fucking symbol!
It's not even an original one at that, it was "borrowed", so whats so wrong with it being "borrowed" again?

 

so you're anti religion?

good to see you care about people being able to practice their religion

 

Fuck em.

If they're too ignorant to see reality I'm not gonna argue with them, but I dont want to see them in my face either.

Let it be a Holy-Day tree or a Christmas tree.

like it fucking matters....

Upton Sinclair was right.

 

ah, the hateful truth finally rears its ugly head.

Oh well..was nice, but now its pointless.

 

Why?

I'm not religious so I have no say in the "Seperation of Church and State" debate?

An atheist's opinion doesnt matter?

Now we see your bias...

 

your whole attitude towards 98% of the world is "Fuck em"

Uh. Ok.

As i said, its just a waste of time from here on out.

 

So that invalidates my point of view?

Christians think the majority of mankind is going to hell, so do muslims.
I'm not too concerned about how much offensive the name of a damn tree causes them. They should get over it. Their god is on our money, isn't that enough for them? No, now we can't put lights on a goddamn tree unless we make sure it's a christian's tree....

"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" - James Madison

Smart guy with a good point.
Keep your religious crap off of public property.

 

Come on now, Megara and Shane. Smile on your brother, everybody get together.

 

Who cares?

If the Christian Conservatives want a "Christmas Tree", then they can put their own damn tree up.

 

Print this out, and hand out copies to the next fundie fuckwit who claims that "Jesus is the Reason for the Season"...

http://www.e-sheep.com/Saturnalia/

Warning--not safe for work, and may offend the historically ignorant.

 

Please try to pay attention. It's mainly the church that's complaining.

So you asked me a question and I gave you an answer (Nice rebutal btw).

Missed my point completely.

Way to go dude. Maybe if we get caught up in semantics your stance'll sound less ridiculous .

The representitives that the people voted for made the decision. that's how it works.

If you really think size is the issue I'm wasting my time talking to you.

You can't see how putting a religious symbol on my property (as a tax payer) is forcing religion on me?

How about if someone came over to your house and put an "Impeach Bush" billboard on your lawn and told you "hey, I'm just praticing my right to free speach"?

Hmmm...lets see...
...Christ...
...Christ-mas...
gee, I don't see it either.

You can wear a christmas tree on your head if it makes you feel better.

So if I tell a hari Krisna I don't feel like dancing with him at the airport, I guess that's the same as telling him to hide his religion.

That wasn't directed at you but it looks like I touched a nerve.

Any group who screams persecution because the rest of society won't kiss their ass and treat them like their special is a group of control freaks.

that's why the pilgrims (the original religious right) came to this country in the first place; after enjoying free reign to tell the rest of england how to conduct each and every little aspect of their affairs under Cromwell for 30 yrs, the english monarchy was reinstated and the puritains were ordered to mind there own buisness.

That's what religious persecution is to a control freak, ie., not being allowed to tell everybody else how to act.

 

please say something that makes sense. The story said it angered "christian conservatives." Now, unless you're going to argue that christian conservatives voting/voicing their opinions is somehow a violation of church and state, you're wrong.

oh, "Christmas has become too politically correct, said 64 percent of people who responded to an online poll by a CBS television affiliate in Boston."

Yeah, its JUST the church. Right.

Uh. I asked if "keeping the name of a christmas tree as a christmas tree is exalting the religion?"

You said "bloah blah, you cant go anywhere without seeing christmas decorations."

That has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about. Yes, the majority of Americans are christians. is that shocking?

Answer my question. Does keeping the name christmas tree somehow EXALT Christianity over other religions?

Your point has nothing to do with whether we should be allowed to call it a christmas tree..it is a complete nonsequitur

LOL, i just find it funny that you couldnt help but stumble over yourself... 'we're not changing it...we're just changing it."

They didnt vote for the reps expecting this decision to be made. We'll see if it angers enough to have it changed.

Also, lets remember that george bush is the president of the US. Surely you wont agree that everything he does is done for the people and not because he has a secret agenda/group to placate. Now would you?

it is a j-o-k-e

No. I see menorahs and crescents hanging around new york city and i dont go "i must convert to allah." Nor do i think "God, why are those muslims forcing their religion on me." I think "that's nice and continue walking on." I don't hate religion, i guess thats the difference.

Remember, your property is also MY property.

We're talking public vs private property here. I'm not talking about puttig a big fat christmas tree in a temple.

They have every right to put one up on public property as long as they adhere to all guidelines.

and thats imposing how?

My name is Christopher. Am i imposing my religion on you? Can you not cope hearing the name christopher? It does have the word christ in it.

Here, let me say what you did: you completely missed the point.

If you believe him dancing at the airport is imposing his religion on you, and you ask him to stop it..yes.

Calling someone insane is not needed

 

I can't help but smile. There are conservative Christians who object to Christmas trees because they were originally a pagan custom. Now there are conservative Christians who object to the same Christmas trees not having the word "Christmas" in them.

There was some urban legend going around that one of the big retail chains (I don't remember which one) wasn't using the word "Christmas" in their advertising and that the conservative Christians were going to boycott.

Frankly I don't care if people wish me Seasons Greetings or a Merry Christmas. I never really thought that there was anything all that Christian about all the shopping and other stuff in November and December.

 

i think it was macys in new york. I dont think it was an urban legend.

 

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is it honestly that shocking that every 'christian conservative(probably the majority of america)' doesn't believe the same thing?

I mean, come on, you must be joking about this one.

 

People should be more concerned about how politics and religion have become melded together. It wasn't like this a couple decades ago in the U.S. That post that someone left about the Founding Fathers was a good one. They would be shocked to see what has happened in the U.S. recently.

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do you honestly believe that the founders idea of separation of church and state are really as deep as its been interpreted?

I seriously doubt they would have had a problem with school prayer, under god in the pledge, etc.

I think they were more concerned with the government establishing a christian denomination as the main religion and having the head of the church dictating policy(and persecuting others..), not religious people voting conservatively because they believe abortion is murder.

Anyone here going to argue that the founders believe in abortion or gay marriage?

 

No need to.

They made it quite clear that religion and politics should be wholly seperate, regardless of the specific issue.

If your reasoning for banning gay marriage is sound public policy then by all means lets discuss.

If your reason for banning gay marriage is that the bible calls it an abomination, then I believe they would take issue with that.

RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN CIVIL MATTERS.
GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE IN RELIGIOUS MATTERS.

Just because it's the holy-days, doesn't mean we should change that position.

It's not very complicated.

 

First off, i'm pro choice and pro-Gay marriage.

Now, this is where i disagree.

I dont think they'd have a problem with individuals believing that gays are an abomination because the bible tells em.

I believe they WOULD have a problem if the US made the catholic religion the state religion and the pope demanded we ban gay marriage.

There is a subtle difference.

government has no business establishing a religion. That is what they said.

edit: remember our founders said our rights were protected by "The Creator." Surely you arent going to argue that they believe God has no business in civil matters. It is GOD who gives us our rights.