what is REAL?

My experience began as a conception, an extension, a creation. My consciousness as I experience it, arose from conscious associations that existed before my body was formed.

 

Not without base, you did not claim it but referred to it as something that occurs in the world every day. Are you claiming to be terrified by things in your own life?
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In fact you began the comparison by suggesting I was ignoring extant perils. I do not care to have a debate about degrees, there are none. The least concern is the same as the greatest devotion and the least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe, because, no one place is any more or less real than any other place.

 

And yet you began by drawing the distinction between your experience and mine to claim that my ideas were more hearsay than yours!

 

My thought emerged from the association in my mind that you were suggesting that I was naive of real things. A response equal to the charge. I began by saying nothing real can be threatened and nothing unreal exists and you questioned the authority of that statement. This is a thread about what is real.

Suffice it to say, human experience is common to us both. Can you give good cause to fear?

 

We're discussing what is real, and what is a threat. Why are you bringing fear into it?

 

Also, I'm not questioning the authority of your claim that nothing real can be threatened. It's not a matter of authority; it is a matter of accuracy.

What is a threat? Is it of one's private interpretation?

 

As a degree of threat. The least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe. As in feel threatened. The perception that what is real can be harmed.

 

Gotcha . . .

 

"Who told you", a question of authorship.

Doesn't matter, nothing real can be threatened. Things can be helpful or not and that is a matter of timing and desired aim.

 

You're going to have to explain why you placed quotation marks around Who told you. I don't know what you're asking.

If you were asking me why I said it was not a question of authority, I was responding to this statement of yours: ". . .you questioned the authority of that statement."

And I answered you by saying that it wasn't a matter of authority, but rather a question of accuracy.

 

One of the questions you asked me was "who told you". Who, is not a question of accuracy of subject but authority of speaker.

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As to accuracy, the only truth you will know is the truth that you allow by measure of your own experience or conviction.

 

"Who told you", a question of authorship.

Ah, I see. If you would have put the word "is" after the quote, it would have been clear.

But anyway, I gotcha.

 

God is real . I know this . Not because i talked to him or seem him, that would make me crazy, but because too much weird coincendental shit happens for a god not to exist. Plus I have seen ghosts.

 

Couldn't ghosts exist without a God? Just for discussion sake. Personally I believe in God as well, not sure about what ghosts appearances exactly are. I'm also not convinced by too much coincidence but I can not give any proof for God either so...

 

Ok, Meagain,

When you are about to be tortured, you feel threatened. When the torture starts, you also feel threatened. What goes on in the mind is perceived as a definite threat to your being. What you're still failing to comprehend is that the the self is a whole entity. Torture, in some cases is an attempt to remove one from their purpose--to fracture the self. Special Forces personnel are put through torture, purportedly to teach them to resist, but its true purpose is to dissociate one from their purpose--to create a block within their system that keeps them from functioning in a way conducive to growth. That is a threat to the self. I asked you to define it once, and you refused. Had you asked, I would have told you what I just did. But you didn't ask.

And I've already explained why I brought up the issue of torture. You must have missed that.

And no, my challenge to the "nothing real can be threatened" thing is not directed at you. How could it be? You're not the one who said it.

If you don't understand what is meant by ". . . being afraid of pain is not a requirement," I suggest you ask thedope; it was he/she who made that claim, not me.

And yes, All is one, and you can't avoid anything. You/we are/is a multidimensional being. You are an aspect of the whole. The aspect of the whole that is focused in this space time realm--the aspect which the whole is experiencing as "you"--is, according to its purpose, unaware of most aspects of the whole in much the same way that a cell in the skin on your foot is oblivious to what is going on in the mucus membrane inside your nose. All is one even if it doesn't meet your limited standard of approval.

I did say, "You need to learn the difference between the expressions "All is one" and "every thing is one." And for that I apologize. It was thedope who attempted to create a split between thought, awareness, and experience.

 

Consider it this way: When you have been tortured, there is, in your mind, the threat that it can happen again. The physical pain is as much a threat because the promise that it will not happen again does not exist.

Sometimes, one's philosophy of life can be made to boil down to two rules.

Rule number one: Life is a series of rooms.

Rule number two: Anything can happen in a room!!

 

Meagain,

Since you brought up the definition of "threat," I take it that you are in agreement with me, then, when I say that the threat of bodily harm is a threat, and that what is being threatened is real. Therefore, the statement "nothing real can be threatened" is a false statement. Would you agree?

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. That may be true, but the fact is that words can threaten you; that is, if you consider yourself real. And since nothing unreal exists, it is correct to consider yourself as being real. Do you agree?

 

Is that your diagnosis?

I attempt to do no such thing. They are different words with different meanings.
Experience as a general concept comprises knowledge of or skill of some thing or some event gained through involvement in or exposure to that thing or event.

Thought generally refers to any mental or intellectual activity involving an individual's subjective consciousness.

Awareness is the state or ability to perceive, to feel, or to be conscious of events, objects or sensory patterns.

 

I think the difference in definition in what we are saying are saying storch, is between what is perceived and what is metaphysically existential. By metaphysical I mean of the essential nature of reality.

Perception is not knowledge.

When I say nothing real can be threatened, I mean nothing real ceases to exist. It is a very important distinction to make when understanding what is real and what is imagined. That is, if we care to understand. We can function is this world without any awareness of a systemic reality and the pursuit of it is a matter of preference.

So, out of respect for communication I will amend my statement for you as,
nothing real can be caused not to exist, nothing unreal does exist.

Although "threatened" is a suitable abbreviation for the words, "cause not to exist", in the context of the statement.