what is REAL?

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. The mind is real but it is naturally abstract. Mind is your personhood, your body, your creaturehood.
Your person is symbolic or representative of something that cannot be seen. You cannot tell a persons personality by looking at them. The mind being abstract is not limited by space, time, or circumstance in it's capacity to conceive. That is why we can conceive of things that do not appear.

 

i think it's impossible to know the TRUE objective reality. simply observing the process can change it. the human brain and senses are not equipped to pick up EVERYTHING, they just pick up and make sense of what they need to in order to let us survive.

 

Perception is not knowledge. You are objectively real. Knowledge is, being shared. knowledge is not ideas about being.

 

so god would be the collective conscious which we each possess, so when searching for god why does this make fear more real, and what role does satan have?

 

A symbolic one, since satan is not real.

 

i dont believe that, i believe satan is greed

 

Seems you view him as a symbol for greed then.

 

i saw something on the book of knowledge last night on discovery or history channel, where it was discussed what god wanted and these levels, i dont exactly remember what role satan had, i guess the fear of learning what god wanted? or what the plan was..

 

A lot of effort has gone into creating an image of separate self. The only thing that can be threatened are illusions. The illusion of separate self has your vested interest at stake and we love our creations because they are ours. However, fear is a liar and the truth about us redeems us from that fear.

 

the real is results of (why ,where ,how etc.)/

 

thedope, what are you doing in an illusion?

It is difficult to take an illusion seriously . . .

 

Everything and nothing.

 

I don't know. It is your illusion.

 

Then who are you speaking to?

Oh, and by the way, welcome to my illusion.

 

More to the point, what are you doing in your illusion?

 

Even more to the point, what are you doing in our illusion?

If we do not exist as separate entities, as you say, why do you give credit for our illusion to me?

 

None of us are an illusion. We may maintain illusions about each other.
You made the claim of illusion. I do not know what you are having me do in your illusion

 

You said that nothing real can be threatened, and that nothing unreal exists. So, I assume that your advice to someone who is being tortured would be to not be concerned about it since they are unreal.

And if they asked you how it is that you came to that conclusion, would you really say to them, "Because nothing real can be threatened."

Define "threatened."

 

Just now saw your last post.