what is REAL?

Words are symbols of conditions. The mind is naturally abstract.

That which is not real does not exist. Illusions are not realities.

We cannot bring truth to illusion and make illusion real but we can bring illusion to truth and truth dispels the illusion.

Nothing real can be threatened.

 

Nothing is real but it's just practical in daily life not to live by this standard.

 

Consciousness is real ... self awareness is real ... apart from dogmatically insisting that both arise as a byproduct of the physical brain and senses, no one has been able to figure out how that's remotely possible.
My best assessment based on what I've been able to discover is that consciousness is the essential foundation of reality. We have to manipulate within "material" reality, but more and more, what we call reality seems to be less and less substantial.

 

Nothing is true, everything is permitted! :biker:

 

What is mind dependent on? Differences in form are not differences in content in terms of being. We all generate individual experience in the same way.

 

What? If any of #2 thru 5 were removed #1 would disappear? I would think #1 would still be there only misidentified.

 

Your closer to the truth than you think. Think of this life as a bad dream. Nothing in it is real and nothing it in can REALLY hurt you, yet your mind is so powerful you MAKE it your reality by feeding into the fears shed by your ego. The ego is a tricky little bastard, it wants you to seperate yourself further and further away from your bothers and sisters instead of seeing them for who they really are, perfect creations. We were created perfect because to be perfect love, you cannot create anything less than what you are. And that is what God is, perfect love. We are all here for the long run with the same goal of reuniting with ourselves as well as our creator. That is why we are pretty much ALL insane. To be of a sane mind you must follow one path, yet with the ego constantly whispering thoughts of fear and doubt and hatred we are torn by what path we must take. That is why you might sometimes (or all the time haha) feel like you have 2 sides, your true self, and the self YOU have made through false idols and illusions. But no matter what your do or how long you try and procrastinate your return it will inevitably happen, because at some point in time you will say to yourself, "there has got to be more to life than this", because THIS, all you see around you, is NOT real life. Merely a false reality based or fear, doubt, lust, and putting the blame on someone else.
Now what is really gonna blow your mind is when you learn that we were never really here at all...going back to what I was saying about this life being a dream. Once you are ready and willing, you will awake back to your true, perfect self.

If you would like more answers to the many questions that have arisen in your mind i suggest reading a couple books.

First: The Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard
But second and more importantly: A Course In Miracles

If you actually read that book from start to finish (and it will take some time believe that) I guarantee you will not only because to view life differently and with more open eyes, Im sure many of your questions will be answered to an extent you didnt know was possible.

Give it a try, why not right? Your in this for the long run.

 

Perfection is a human concept and is not reachable at all.

 

Yeah, one persons 'perfect' may not be anothers idea of perfect.

Life is not dream. We are really here. Cut yourself. That's 'real' blood. Jump out of a tree. That's a real broken leg. break a window, etc...reality is real and is manifested in real objects and nature.

 

Well no not if you live to satisfy the ego. But being that our creator is perfect, wouldnt it follow that nothing less than perfect could be created?

 

I believe that the mind has the power to make anything you truly believe REAL. So it follows that if you believe as you have been taught by others all your life that you will bleed when you cut yourself or die if you jump out a window then yes, you will most certainly die. Trust me ive been taught the same restrictions and limitations as you and everyone else all my life. Yet i believe that if you were taught from early childhood that you could fly if you believed or walk on water then Im sure beyond doubt that you would succeed. But who knows. No one has ever tried.
But im in no way trying to impose on the beliefs or thought systems of others, please by all means believe what you want. Im just trying to spread truth as I begin to more and more to see it. Thank God for psychedelics and freedom of speech right eh?

 

I don't see the logic that IF our creator is perfect why it would be that we can't be less perfect at all. Could you explain why this is so evident?

 

Where have you ever detected this absence other than in theory?

Form is generated by the individual, if true is true for all. Subjective forms we know to be variable but the objective treatment is the same, that is we share our thoughts or there is one mind that we share. That mind being given diversity of perspective through cellular division.

We all see a motorcycle but our senses do not give us information detached from ourselves, that is, our senses give us information as to our relationship to or with the object. In-formation is exactly that and the reason we share a consensual environment is that we share the same substance of mind. Knowledge is, being shared, not being in isolation.

We do not create our own realities but we do maintain our individual perspectives, if we choose to.

 

Things were real before you were aware that they were real and reality is the same everywhere. Our experience of life is a generation of mind, that is, everything that you couch in language is an idea. Your experience then is abstract and therefor malleable according to premise. You cannot change the world, but you can change your mind about it.

 

Hmm I like that, thanks for the profound words haha I always like to see what ideas these discussions can bring out. My thoughts and ideas however transcend this world as I do not actually believe I am here. I mean i DO obviously because I AM still here however my mind has begun to ask many many questions and I have begun to question what the ego has to offer at a steadily increasing rate. I feel as if I am becoming more and more inline with the thinking of the holy spirit however I know I have a long way to go before I am even close to moving on the the steps that follow questioning the ego.

You seem like you have a lot of knowledge as well as an open mind. You might try reading a book I am actually currently still trying to finish. The title is A course in Miracles. Its quite a mind fuck. It does go in a different directions with most things and seems to upset A LOT of people. Im not sure why people get so upset those, its just an idea, a thought system someone else believes in an is trying to teach. It might not be inline with the thought systems of most modern day religions but it does in no way insult or put down these thought systems. Its a pretty interesting book and if you like reading new ideas and thoughts you may have not even thought conceivable I suggest giving it a shot. If you dont like it, by all means dont read it or feel the need to finish it. I am still not entirely sure what to think about it but feel I am taking a step in the right direction. Something about this book rings truth in my ears and I feel as if its not the first time hearing it. But i dont know, do what you want. Its YOUR life to live. May you find Truth and Peace of Mind.

 

Honestly I cant really explain it. Its a new concept to me but its makes sense to me as well. If it doesnt ring true with you then just ignore it. Im not trying to steer anybody in any particular direction. Just looking to help those find peace within themselves while doing the same within myself. Im just at the point in my life where I would like to truly be happy and at peace with all aspects of my life. It takes time though heh most people I feel dont ever truly find peace of mind, just temporary things to fill the void. I do not want to continue to live that way. I want to find what I need from within, thats the only way to know truth. But I've got a long way to go as we all do. May you find whatever it is you are looking for in life.

 

Well, if it doesn't make sense to me I rather ask through if you don't mind. Everything is temporary by the way (at least in this reality). So I'm not looking for ultimate truth in the philosophical way or to achieve a piece of mind that remains eternal since I am convinced it's not possible in this universe to abtain. I'm not here to shatter your thoughts on the matter either by the way, I just want to share my opinions here like you.

 

Haha trust me, one persons words arent going to "shatter my thoughts". Im not that easily influenced. But you have every right to share your opinions. I agree with you that everything is temporary, this is ONLY in this life or reality or whatever you call it. Once we are all reunited and one there will no longer be perspective because perspective implies that there is more than one way to look at Truth. There is only one way and that is perfect love. Perfect love is infinite, not temporary like the love we try and imitate in this reality. It is impossible to attain this "perfect love" however without the guidance of the holy spirit. Beginning to question what you have been taught is only the first step.