what is REAL?

If I say to someone, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life," and they ask me who told me that, I would say, "I read it in the Bible."

Are you getting it now?

 

@ storch... You sound like your beliefs don't allow for individual thought, that all knowledge must come from the past somewhere... "Someone else" must have written these "ideas" down before and we can only read them "somewhere"...

Tell me where those that came up with these thoughts or ideas ages ago got them?

 

What have I said about my beliefs?

 

Nothing, but you question where everybody else's beliefs come from, as if someone can't possibly formulate their own.

 

lol nineteen pages because someone can't believe that someone else believes in their own thoughts enough to mistake them for fact when they are, in fact, opinion...

reality needs an enema.. or all that is will definitely remain all that will be :mickey:

 

The thing is, if someone asks me about something I've said, like they want to know where I got it from, or where I heard it, I will answer them directly.

 

Tyrsonwood,

Name all of the people you mean when you say, "everyone's beliefs."

 

And... if you came up with your own thought/idea that hasn't been previously written down you would ______? (fill in the blank)

 

If I questioned where everybody's beliefs come from, provide me with several examples of this.

 

If I come up with my own thoughts which are original I would state them I guess. What else?

 

By the same token, I expect the same honesty when I ask where someone got the idea for something they said; especially if they repeat it verbatim from the original source.

 

I see . . .

 

If the question is for me, getting what? If you replied in that manner, you would not be telling it as it is, at least not for me. If someone asked me that question I would have to say I cannot honestly remember. I know I had heard scriptures long before I had read the bible. It could have been a family member or a friend of family, or it could have been through some sort of media.

You asked me to source myself and I did based of the broadest and most complete inventory of my own processes.

 

I see.

 

Tyrsonwood, when you said that I question where everybody else's beliefs come from, was it too much to ask of you to provide several examples of this?

 

What is the" original source" that you think represents honesty?
You seem to have an idea, "verbatim", of where it comes from. I gave you my honest and thoroughly considered answer.

Now that I have amended my statements to suit you, how do you perceive the statement that nothing real can be caused to cease to exist?

 

I have no problem that statement; it is true.

Anyway, I gotta go. I have a book to write.

 

As a matter of fact, yes I do! I have plenty of morals. Why do people always associate religion with morals and ethics??

Do YOU have any morals or ethics???

 

Well, actually, MayQueen, I was going to use you as an example to prove that people who don't believe in God have morals and ethics no less than theists do.

But now my question to you is: why do people who don't believe in God jump to the conclusion that questions having to do with morals and ethics is designed to paint them as some kind of monster?

 

No, the questioning is not flawed. To expect everybody to be able to supply a source would be flawed.

Some people have beliefs about the original question "what is real?" that didn't come out of a book, it came out of their own individual thought process... Does that mean their belief about what is real is wrong?