What is an acid trip like?

Vision is just one sense out of a multitude that LSD affects dramatically. People get caught up in "the visuals" because we rely on vision for so much of our perceptual work. I enjoy concentrating on hearing during trips, quieting myself and flowing with music. Or tactile sensations with a lover . . . or eating fine fresh seafood, citrus fruits, vegetables . . . all the senses are unhinged :sunny:

 

Yes, I do understand all of this :2thumbsup:
What I am asking is basically in line with asking the question 'what do blind people dream?'. I mean people who haven't seen anything ever. I hope they experience closed eye visuals.

 

I think that depends whether the damage is in their eyes or in their brain. If they were born with say unoperable cataracts then their vision centre in the brain is still fine and it's probably working in overdrive if anything. But if someone had damage to the visual processing centre then perhaps even psychedelics would elicit nothing visual as they wouldn't have the ability to process any of it.

 

That's a beautiful thought. I hope the same thing.

For me though, the main things are (I should say were) experiencing now, the reality that we really are all one, my beauty (and ugliness), other people's beauty and ugliness, and other mind-manifesting entheogenic aspects of mind and reality (kind of circular statement - oh well). In short, the Truth. The visual aspects are interesting and sometimes treasures, but are far from the heart of the matter.

 

oh yeah...oranges are the shit on LSD.

 

Lol. I was trying to seem more experienced web I said I'd done drugs before. So I could impress people here, I suppose. But I hadn't then, abs now I did, so STFU.

 

Acid will most defiantly turn you into a glass of Orange Juice! And it will kill all your trolling capabilities!

 

Me on 15 hits.

 

^ Hehe. I remember that thread. I'm editing something in...

My last trip I tried to think deeply of just what an acid trip really is. I was walking around and talking to different people during this trip. For starters, I felt closer to being "one" entity and especially one with my surroundings. There was less separation or usual distinction between me, my ego, my awareness, the things around me, other people, their ego, etc.

I felt very able to at least understand or "feel" the natural flow of things, and should I choose to, I can then "move" and make motor decisions to accompany the flow of things. Putting this in practice with conversation with others was pretty fucking interested to say the least. I chatted up a girl and the conversational flowed natural, it was real and pure, there was no bullshit. I didn't "think" and then speak, I wasn't anxious to immediately respond or react. I instead fully immersed myself in the moment - not even 15 milliseconds ajar. I made decisions in the moment and I followed the natural flow of things.

Later on my awareness, my ego, and everything in between inside me slowly started to come back and I was no more one entity. Sobriety returned and that knack for the 'natural flow of things' was replaced by simply guessing and then judging the outcome.


Shit like that.

 

My observations:
LSD's only real *effect* is making all the senses better by putting down the "filter". The rest.. is just a reaction

 

HAHAHAHA! i love all your posts. too good. usually they're real deep but i see you have a good sense of humor as well

 

this is probably what an acid trip is like:

http://vimeo.com/11696950

 

I had forgotten about that movie. Ya, that's not too inaccurate. :sunny:

 

The more you say about LSD the more I worry about your future sanity, or at least any hope of you being a primarily logical individual....

 

I agree, I think it's schizophrenia kicking in if you think that ALL of the stuff you see on LSD is actually there.

 

There's definitely some illusions to it.. I've seen twisted smiles, small heads, and people changing shapes. I'm well aware that's not true. But on the come-up stages, your pupils dilated, you see, a "HD" view of the world. That to me is a higher reality - of the physical world that is.

LSD of course has some effects as it plays on your serotonin receptors and blocks your thalamus. But I'd still claim that most of an LSD trip is how one reacts to it - which as you yourself have claimed is much of the effect.

 

Well the entire trip is how you react to it, from the level of your neurotransmitters to the level of your thought patterns.....

But as I would have expected LSD to maybe show you, a "higher reality" is just how you view things, a more abstract but also at the same time, emotional and personal, way of viewing the world and it's events, of all sizes. Something that, without drugs or religion or whatever, it's easy to theoretically understand, but nearly impossible to do more than ALMOST actually understand and know.

Reality stays exactly the same. LSD is just a tool to help you better understand the nature of reality.

Also, yes, we know, you read that it's a serotonergic and effects the thalamus..... Will you give it a rest? It's cool to know, but honestly, has NOTHING to do with being able to understand the nature of LSD's effects or how to use them, and doesn't lend ANY credibility to anything else you say.... I mean, it doesn't detract credibility either if you say it in passing, but when you repeatedly say it as though it supports the other things you're saying, it does start to detract some.

In the post I'm quoting, it reads as though you're saying LSD has hallucinogenic effects, and psychedelic effects, and the hallucinogenic effects are due to it's actual chemical action, and the psychedelic effects are due to........... you didn't quite specify, but something along the lines of "higher reality"?

Check yourself.

 

Quite honestly I've been questioning a lot about LSD recently, since my first trip I dropped about twice a month. Up until about the week before thanksgiving, I haven't taken it since. And while your mind seems to go under a lot under the influence. I've seen my mind go under a lot after the use. I really don't know what to think of LSD, I love it, but what is it? I still think there is a lot more unknown about it then I initially thought going into it. A lot of it still has to do with the fact that there's a lot about the brain that is still unknown.

I actually do agree with you that LSD shows the nature of reality. It doesn't necessarily "unlock" a higher reality, though one thing I want to attempt is an OBE on LSD, which could be some sort of higher reality -and until then I can't say for sure whether a higher reality can be unlocked or not.

I suppose LSD does have hallucinogenic effects. Those twisted smiles for instance, but the definition gets iffy when the illusion is known. I'm not fallen to believe thats actually there. The psychedelic effects are everything about the experience: the chaos, emotions, patterns, your thoughts. It's such a personal experience, whether you're with a group of people or by yourself, that's what makes it psychedelic. I think you should just be able to take from it what you can to better yourself. If not that, it's at least an incredible experience to have, and that's worth enough

 

In differentiating psychedelic and hallucinogenic effects, this time, I meant psychedelic literally, as "god manifesting". That is, the "higher reality" effects. You seemed to be saying, and I could have misunderstood, that the visual, etc, effects of LSD are due to it's chemical action, while it's somehow OTHERWISE psychedelic at the same time.

I think you might be trying to define acid too hard(and OP might, too). If you know yourself, you know LSD. Of course, I don't mean to say that you can do crazy shit on it and not have a bad time, or anything, but I think it can generally be summed up as magnifying your personality, and DURING this magnification, allowing you to rebuild any faulty understandings or conceptions you might have, assuming you have a relatively well functioning, honest brain. I don't think either you or I (but OP maybe) have this problem, but for instance, a pathological liar might end up seeing things considerably LESS clearly after LSD or while on it, because the lying and things causing it are magnified and in effect while the "seeing for the first time" effect happens and allows that rebuilding of views. Someone like this would require a considerably larger dose than most people might even be able to benefit from, to the point of strong ego alteration. (I say alteration, because "ego death" is a profoundly ego based and dependent illusion, if you think about it. The ego is pushed to encompass everything that you've ever known, it's really more of an ego black hole than an ego death)

 

I actually quite liked everything you said in that post. I'd like to know though, have you ever experienced "ego death" whether on LSD or not? I think it's named ego death cause you seem to look past your self as you literally forget who you are, by name and to whatever extent it may encompass. I haven't experienced it yet, and everything I've read or heard about it sounds as impossible to describe as an acid experience itself.