What is a properly functioning democracy?

You have more you should speak up. I think invoicing is a good idea for the contraction of direct services, I don't think it adequately serves the public trust.

Huge threat to me. I don't think you are cognisant of any genuine proportion being mostly vain in your assessments. However don't let that be a discouragement to any good idea you might come up with.

 

no, the arguments I made were perfectly clear, and in my explanation even brought it down to terms so simple and clear that grade school level kids comprehend them, (its been tested).

totally misrepresenting my issues then arguing your misrepresentations instead is gross intellectual dishonesty.

It is now painfully clear what you are doing is was not an accident.

You fear real solutions proven by your attempt to fool everyone by using a different label to promote the staus quo as one would expect from a statist.

So you got anything that is not status quo? Other than creative labels?

Fortunately I see that others out here are not falling it either.

Why do you think invoices replacing taxes would be ONLY and strictly to my benefit when they would be used across the board for everyone therefore they would benefit everyone? cipher that batman LOL

 

I can address this as to the other it is a self induced hypnosis that doesn't seem to offer any relief.

Like I said it is obvious that you feel it is in your interest to pay for what you want and not be asked to pay for things you feel you don't want or are not your responsibility to provide.
However as you look around the world there is much that is purely circumstantial and has nothing to do with anyone's best effort. For example I think we should do away with the insurance industry. Again another lottery for access to privilege.

Not much appreciable difference between a half wit and a w/hole. You are lost in vain anthropomorphic nonsense. This is cognitive therapy.

 

So grade school kids are convinced by you? How do they feel about your take on capt. america?

 

no they comprehend in context. more than I have seen here, sorry

 

invoicing for services allows opt out.

so you want freebees on my nickel.

cognitive dissonance is not therapy

 

The context I always refer to is experiential conjugation as opposed to a belief in the way things should be. No need whatsoever to apologize as your lack of apparent comprehension doesn't affect mine.

 

Thing is you are not accounting for the fickleness or serendipity of real circumstances. It is by miraculous virtue that you are born in the usa.

No, i would like you to find relief in the truth.

See above.

 

fickleness? irrelevant red herring

what are computers for 100.

its not me who has an issue with truth, you support violation of rights to gain freebees.

 

more cognitive dissonance

I already pointed out your championing the status quo and providing a long list of synonyms to the same effect are frankly hilarious.

oh yeh and what I proposed is not only experiential but pure conjugation. :nopity:

 

Well help me then. What is status quo about getting rid of the insurance industry?

 

ok so you concede taxes then and wish to move onto insurance now?

 

I pay taxes to those who are interested in tax revenue so that they do not become interested in me. Now what about insurance, status quo idea?

 

again you are doing another endrun.

your paying taxes so the irs does not hunt you down and take all your stuff has nothing to do with the issue of invoices replacing the tax system.


the tax matter is still open, one thing at time please.

 

It is not an end run, you are not keeping up. And yes the two are unrelated.
You said you didn't want me to revisit your conclusions.
It is not my issue. The suggestion of technical functionary does deal with the problem of representational taxation in that you are paying for government services instead of political conceptions.

 

yanno your posting style takes all the fun out of playing on the boards.

Yeh it does deal with the problem it makes it far worse. I assumed you meant it would deal with it in a manner that would be better. my bad.

You really need to spend some time actually in the trenches, do some volunteer work or something to get your feet wet and find out what its really like in the real world. Your armchair commentaries are getting boring.

Hell you cannot even discuss the pros and cons of invoices, or the pros and cons of using the departments of your own suggestions which is understandable now that I see where you are coming from. this is not a debate for you its hit and run away when asked to produce.

invoices, pay for what you use or intend to use is FAIR and the people who actually use the service pay the tax.

You want to continue to be a tax freeloader, and expand the unfair tax scheme opening the flood gates for yet more corruption than we have now by using agencies outside the control of our representatives which completely removes the power from the public and then, when put on the hot seat run to another topic, insurance.

You arent fooling anyone. Give agencies a blank check and no public oversight. right! Get out from behind your computer and spend some time in the trenches. How can anyone take your suggestions seriously, or are you just fooling around to see how many people will fall for that?

 

:smilielol5::rofl:

You know, it would probably be a wise thing to get to know a little about the people you insult so your insults don't splash back into your face making you look the fool.

Not that thedope needs my help in the least, but I nearly died laughing when I saw that one.

 

I will bet he is an expert huh? LOL

BTDTBTTS LMAO


If what I seen so far represents the best it gets, arguing by shifting the goal posts, creating strawmen, dodging ducking tough questions, evading explanations, going in circles, using a vocabulary beyond its understanding, and after 20 posts of dancing in circles when the ears are pinned to the wall changes the subject, seriously this will continue to be a walk through the park with both brains tied behind my head. Boring and slow going with very little substantial information, but a walk through the park none the less.

I am sure you dont agree and thats ok you can feel free to jump in here any time and help TD explain to us how those corporate functionarys outside public purview with zero accountability to the public would be better than the meager accountability we have now in the republic?

Nothing is meant or intended to be insulting. Simply stating the facts about a disingenuous posting style and if its an insult the person insulted them self by using such tactics in the first place and assuming no one would see through it or protest.

So far all that has been demonstrated is someone that not only is incapable of substantially rebutting the solution I presented, but neither is capable of expanding on their own much less defending its viability.

Frankly I hope you are right so this can turn into a real debate at some point rather than an enchanting evening with fred astair when suggestions are challenged.

Why do you want to shoot the messenger instead of the perp?

 

There can be no properly functioning democracy in a capitalistic society. Capitalism induces greed, corruption and crime. The whole philosophy of capitalism is "fuck you, me first". It will never work.

 

You could say I have learned to ask the question what is it for and have learned what is the same and what is different.

I am not familiar with the meaning of these symbols.

Certainly these tirades will continue as long as you are trying to avoid being serious.

I have answered or addressed every point you have made. Turning government into a technical functionary gets the corporate functionaries out of the seats of government power, duh!!

You protest because you've been essentially found wanting a good reason to continue.

Again what point have I neglected?

Frankly this discussion could do without your vain defensive reactions. I like that, enchanting evening with fred astaire....