What If...

Or hes just part of your hipforums clique?

I agree with libertine. Ive seen rubin consistently going into posts and attacking the person or their ideas, and offering nothing constructive in return. And anyone who routinely refers to themselves as god, or a gift to humanity.. has an inflated ego problem.

 

That being said, I think hes a cool cat, and sounds like someone Id want to chill with. I'm just calling it like I see it.

 

i wouldn't let him in my clique if i didn't have a reason. i think libertine is awesome. i don't like seeing two people i like not getting along. pavel is argumentative like i am. the only difference is that i don't take it personally because i know he's an old soul who's just a little exhausted right now. he's worthwhile, he's just angry. you remember being angry? disillusioned? i know i do. were you around when i was a totall vicious twat instead of merely rude? i've come a long way because there have been gentler forces working on me. should someone give up just because they got their feelings hurt? where would the world be if they all did that? it's bad enough as it is.

 

It's not about my "feelings", K.

It is about respect. And the whole idealism of Hippyland in general.

He's exhausted? From what? BASHING people?

Please.

I have been through HELL AND BACK this past year and I have changed a lot.

But, I am so sick and tired of this bullshit.

Why fight amongst each other ? THAT WHOLE THREAD was about fucking PEACE!

And look what it has become?

Jesus, it makes me fucking sick. I make myself sick.

Fuck.

 

Not everyone online is going to automatically agree with quixotic sentiment.

If you feel so passionate about these sorts of things, do all you can and realize that you're not going to change everyone. Especially by wagging your finger.

 

listen, i don't ignore you or belittle you. all i can say is, just because a few people mock doesn't change the better part of the message. i was SO ANGRY, and emotionally exhausted, tired and hurt and wounded. but a few kind, patient, strong people (and one meltdown) helped me rebound. there's a lot of beauty in this world, don't let yourself get jaded, too. pavel has a beautiful spirit and a love of life and people that has been rode hard and put up wet. and maybe you're just tired, too.

 

You were lucky to have some good people behind you then. Not everyone else has that. And just because pavel might be angry and jaded (been there trust me on that, probably still am), doesnt give him a reason to always act arrogant and self righteous to everyone else. He doesn't know what theyre going through.

And just because you might like someones spirit, doesn't mean you should defend them when they are being a dick for no reason.

 

to me, "clique" just means "people that don't like ME."

pavel is worthwhile, i don't care what you say. libertine is a friend i've appreciated for years, but i don't think he's any more right than pavel.

 

Haha, I couldnt care less if the people I'm referring to like me or not.

My definition of clique isnt ego based. Its based on the social behavior I continually witness around here by you and your posse. Cliques are normal, they form when people get along and spend time together. But don't be fucking rabid.

And maybe the people pavel chases away by being a fucking prick are worthwhile too.

 

don't call me "fucking rabid." i wasn't being rabid. i'm defending someone i consider worthwhile AND trying to help another whom i consider worthwhile to reconsider. he's not a fucking prick. you just have to get to know him.

 

KC, you know I like you.

But, Rubin (pavel) has been a fucking prick to me from day one.

That's just the truth.

I don't think hostility or antagonistic attitudes are worthwhile. They are the complete OPPOSITE of what is worthwhile in this world.

That's what this WHOLE POST was about. Not the details, the overall message.

He just shit on it. Like he has done over and over, time and time again.

 

He might not BE a fucking prick but he ACTS like a fucking prick a lot. So you know him. Alright. I don't. I just know how he treats people around here. And its not cool.

And yes, ganging up on one poster with your friends for simply having passionate beliefs, is fucking rabid.

 

i never ganged up on libertine! he's someone i admire and like.


i swear, you people give up on other people WAY too easily. one little argument or misunderstanding, suddenly it's "this place has changed TOO MUCH!" fight for it, people! it's worthwhile.

what happened to the SPIRIT? where'd the revolutionary attitude go?

 

we're having a valid discussion. are you gonna let a jaded kid chase you off just because he's sick of shit right now? just like every generation before us singing "what's the matter with kids today?" they're just like us, they just see things different. pavel is a beautiful soul with some righteous anger and understandable "WTF? WHY BOTHER?" going on. but in his daily dealings, he's just beautiful. he lives it, he doesn't just talk it.

 

I fight all the time on the outside. Yet this "kid" (as you call him) makes an ignorant statement about what I do, when he hasn't got a clue what I do or have done. He is talking out of his ass.

His arrogance is atrocious and that is coming from someone who is a little cocky himself, but not an asshole about it. I know I'm no better than anyone else.

This place is like a refuge from all I fight against, but it has been turned into a war zone by those who shit on the whole philosophy of what is TRULY worthwhile.

Rubin IS worthwhile as a human being, but his attitude STINKS.

 

okay, fair enough. i've had my own disagreements. but it's never made me think "what the fuck, why do i even bother?" it doesn't matter if anyone agrees with you, libertine, NO ONE ever agrees with me. but i love pavel. his attitude is pretty negative right now, but it hasn't always been. i kid you not, he's beautiful.

 

You have to be kidding me. Why don't you start a pavel foundation or something? It sounds like you believe in him enough.

 

you know, i think i've reached an irrational motherly stance. i see a beautiful person in pavel. but he doesn't need me to defend him. he's far and away capable of his own stance and attitude. he's not a baby. sorry, bsr. you don't need me here. eek!

:leaving:

 

Pavel Foundation? LOL...

I'm sorry, but that was hilarious.

KC, I have yet to see the beautiful side of Rubin, but I would love to.

He just hasn't seen fit to, as they say, "represent" yet.

 

lol. talk about your petty, childish, personal attacks. he's my friend of almost 5 years, a good person who's been good to me. what would you do?


and seriously, i really LIKE you, but WTF? have i spoken to EITHER of you with petty comments? honestly? is this not the pot calling the kettle black in your case?