What happened to the Trump supporters around here?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by MeAgain, Apr 15, 2025.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yes he is the figure head of racism, anti intellectualism, etc.
    That doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

    I don't know what you're talking about with Biden. Compared to Trump he is a genius.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Why would you think that I view "my side" as saints?
    What is my side by the way?
    The side that follows the Constitution, believes in equal opportunity for all, the rule of law, justice, empathy? Stuff like that?
     
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  3. Bocci

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    You see evil in others who don’t share your attitudes and beliefs and and you see none in you and yours. Please consider the fundamental attribution error.
     
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  4. Bocci

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    Don’t know what I’m talking about with Biden? More feigned ignorance. If it is not feigned, then you are truly blind. If that’s how you wish to see the world, then so be it. Everyone makes their own misery.
     
  5. Twogigahz

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    He's nowhere near smart enough to pull anything off. He's just the fool they put out front to whip up the masses while they pull their dirty work... Kind of like that fool, Bush 2, Cheney did all the dirty work in the backroom....
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    I see "evil" where "evil" dwells.

    There are many beliefs I don't share with others, but I don't see them as evil.
    Please tell me what "evil" attitudes and beliefs I have commented upon that you think don't deserve your description of evil.
    And, while you're at it please tell me what "evil" attitudes and beliefs I have expressed or that those I support have expressed....if you know who I support.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You throw out generalities about Biden, quote: "Furthermore, as we saw in the last couple years of Biden, the head executive does not run the show and need not even be coherent much of the time."

    I can say that about anyone.
    I can say that about you or anyone else on this site, I can say no one on this site is "not even be coherent much of the time".
    Don't mean sh-t without specific examples and context.

    Not feigned ignorance.
    I want proof, not empty rhetoric.
     
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  8. Bocci

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    Ah yes. We come back to the “sources” thing that you and so many like to whip out. But as I’ve told you before, I don’t, nor would I ever want to, keep copy-paste lists and files of perceived evils, grievances, and cherry-picked msnbc articles to support my perspective. Where do you find either the time or the desire? I wouldn’t even if I could.

    I try, as much as reasonably possible in this day, to live a less mediated life. I talk and interact with live people. Yes I still listen to npr on my morning commute but that’s only because of the tone and pace of their speech rather than any preference for their content. I do get a really good chuckle when they try to claim that their coverage and presentation is “one of the very few sources of unbiased news and information”. If I could stand their style of presentation, I’d switch over to Fox News so I could hear an equally laughable claim.

    As I’ve said before, in my stops by this way every few months, I come here to read different perspectives as well as offer my own. I also like to entertain myself, and anyone else who shares my sense of humor, by playing a sarcastic devils advocate when the mood strikes.

    I renew my recommendation to you to go “touch grass”. This echo chamber, while it can give you a fleeting dopamine hit from the likes and affirmations of those who share your perspective, is a poor substitute for the mental and physical benefit of sunlight, physical activity, and human interaction.

    You’ll be happier. All the latest evils and “the sky is falling” stories that the various forms of media throw in your face, to keep you adrenalized and paying attention to their advertisements for depression medications, will bother you much less as well. Please pardon the lack of a cited source for the preceding suggestion.
     
  9. Bocci

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    I don’t know who you support. I know who you don’t support (Trump/Hitler - Evil Incarnate Inc.TM). So please enlighten me. Who are “the good guys”? Who are the honest politicians that truly represent the interests of their constituents? Which one(s) will only do what is right for the voters and always uphold the constitution (excepting of course the second amendment and certain parts of the first, right;))?
     
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    there are no honest politicians just less dishonest
     
  11. Bocci

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    Yeah, I gonna have to go ahead and ask for your source on that one.;)
     
  12. MeAgain

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    National and international news can only be obtained from "sources" other than myself.
    I can't be in every nation, state, or town in the world, therefore I rely on "sources".
    When relying on those sources I look for transparency, honesty, facts that can be checked and cross indexed by other sources, and the willingness of those sources to admit mistakes and rectify them.

    I don't know what cherry picked MSNBC articles you are talking about.
    You often seem to talk in generalities.
    I guess you think I never talk to or interact with live people.
    You listen to NPR because they have soothing speech patterns but the content doesn't matter?
    Really?
    Why not just listen to some nursery rhymes?
    Okay, then don't get upset when someone doesn't agree you.
    I have no idea what "touch grass" means.
    And there you go again, I suppose I never experience the sunlight, physical activity, and human interaction...just because I don't agree with everything you post.
    I'd be happier if you would answer a few of the questions I've asked you over several posts.

    Is Trump supporting the Constitution?
    What would Trump have to do to alarm you?
    What makes you think Biden "did not run the show"?
    What makes you think that Biden was "not even coherent much of the time"?
    What did I post that makes you think that I view "my side" as saints?
    What is my side, in your view?
    What did I post that makes you think that I see evil in others who don’t share your attitudes and belief, and what attitudes and beliefs are you talking about?

    Please be specific.
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    So I should answer your questions when you never answer mine?

    How about we address the questions I asked you before you try and distract us?
    I have no idea, again, what you're talking about with the First and Second Amendment becasue, as usual, you offer no specifics.
    Just generalities.

    I'll wait.....
     
  14. MeAgain

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    I notice you don't like to have to justify what you post.
    I should just accept whatever you say, then you criticize if I ask where you got your information.

    I guess research, quoting sources, asking for evidence, etc. is being "woke" or something......
     
  15. Bocci

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    See? You also find it annoying when, rather than just congenially engaging in an open and wide-ranging dialogue, someone needs to pepper you with questions designed to devalue your perspective.

    It’s ok. I’ve sampled the waters here again. They’re interesting because they are so different from my other habitats. As we know, I only stop by infrequently, when I have the time, to see how others view things. Now, time permitting, I’ll go back to reading about more enjoyable activities and leave you to super moderate over your own little sandbox and maintain the in-group consensus.
     
  16. MeAgain

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    That's what I figured.
    You can't or won't back up your opinions.
     
  17. Bazz888

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    I think its intriguing that 'touching grass' would give a better perspective. Assuming of course, that touching grass means getting real-world information and discussion with humans. That's really quite limiting. I think its also the thinking of those disposed to a nationalist view of the world; though that's a bit of an oxymoron because many nationalists seem to think their country is better than all others and view others as irrelevant or trivial.

    Over the years I've spoken to and discussed with many Americans. From all states except RI, I think. Reps and Dems. That's touching grass but it doesn't give me any clue as to the state of the nations individual or collective thoughts. That means, to do so, is little different from an online echo chamber, which, I should add, Hip is not.

    News media should function such that it informs viewers of the goings on that we wouldn't otherwise know about - impartially as possible. And there's always been - in my lifetime - newspapers (loosely used term) that present news to their editors political views. Others which don't. So we've always been able to choose the better ones such that we reduce the amount of propaganda or spin that we see.

    It's also interesting when people or groups use the media to get where they are but then denegrate that same media for not stating the news the way they want.
     

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