What god isn't.

VV,
There is no infinity.
State an example or conceed.

I'm not here to teach elementry physics. your own your own learning thermodynamics.

suffice it to say Entropy precludes infinity. this is clearly beyond your level of understanding. To state a fact is not an attack of any kind.

I have no definition of "god".

You insinuate you do and you say you don't. Which is it?

So far, you've made fanciful but NOT factual statements.

I'll not debate your mystiscism. You can believe in the infinite if you choose- but it's just a belief, with no basis in reality.

 

Incidently, I started this thread.

It's you who have failed to respond to the topic.

 

What a shocker. You ignored my post and began ranting about infinity again. No really, I couldn't be more surprised. Also, since all you had to say about the relationship between entropy and infinity was, "I'm so smart you could never hope to understand me," I'll just go ahead and assume that you don't know what entropy is, and instead you're just parroting someone else who did. Here's a link to help explain it:

http://www.secondlaw.com/ten.html

By the way, infinity is not all-loving. Infinity does not have emotions the same way we do. There. Now how anyone cannot understand what infinity is after those breath-taking epiphanies is beyond me! I think we've really made progress today!

 

Your ranting foucuses on your ignorance.

I don't need links.

You've said nothing of substance.

And so it stands that there are NOT an infinte number of things that god isn't.

So back to topic:

god isn't Vae Victus' unsubstantiated ravings.

 

Gecko

Truth.
And there can be none.
For infinity has no end..
And a thing with no end.
Cannot be defined by that which is not infinite.

"Without people, there is no math"

Exactly.
Without humans there is no human math..
Human math is a human language to define reality.
Without humans , it does not exist.

Occam

Many say.."math" is universal.
False.
Math is our desctiption of the workings of the universe.
The universe is universal
Math describes it for US alone.
And who can show that the universe we observe is ALL there is?
NONE.

It may be just a facet of a titanic multiverse..
Most of which human math does not apply to.

Math is dependent of objective laws.
If they change.
Human math is only applicable to 'our obsevable facet'

No-one can say if the objective laws are consistent throughout totallity.

 

God isn't nothing.

I don't masturbate in public because I don't think people would enjoy it too much (yet). Maybe God does not do stuff around people who doubt Gods existence, because God knows that those people are not ready to acknowledge their God. Somes got their cherry popped, somes don't... there is lots of foreplay howeva...

 

An assumption and a maybe.

And maybe god is the easter bunny and he really wants us to eat colored eggs.

I'm not prepared to say that god is and assumption and a maybe- or vice-versa.

 

What exactly are you prepared to say?

 

There is room in Reality for a possible "god" of some kind that could be omnipotent, omnipresent, and in a "place" that can be labeled- anything you want. Heaven. Cucamonga. Whatever.
But that's all I've got so far.
All the evidence for seems to be subjective. Can't find one tangible thing-
except for the Rules of Reality- and ascribing them to intelligence is just too subjective a decsion at this point.

 

You are either going to have to look for evidence of God with an open mind (stop chalking stuff up to coincidence) or wait until something happens in your life that is significant enough to make you realize there is a God (take a trip to hell for 20 minutes or so).

Kharakov

 

I am open minded.

Occam's razor.

open your mind to reality.

If a near death experience and 4 heart attacks with 3 episode of kidney failure not to mention numerous life and death situations haven't convinced me to lose my objectivity, than I doubt your child's story of hell will.

 

Yup, you are definately a sloooooowwwwww learner. How do I trigger another heart attack... hmmm...

It isn't the story about hell that changes people, it is actually spending time in hell that changes people. You won't know until you try it....

 

Kar,
You're a robot, unable to use the gifts god gave you- all you do is spout programing. I pity you. you contibute nothing to the conversation but juicy bullshit. You're a fool in your beliefs, so you're dismissed from consideration.
Go to the christain forum with you faith and leave us intellectual thinkers alone with our Knowledge.

 

Awesome, I just heard a kickass thunderclap from outside my open window. Yes, you are right about a few things, I only recombine ideas that have come to me from the outside and put them forth. Hmm... you don't? Glad to meet (another thunderclap) someone who's ideas are entirely original and do not come from an outside source. Must be a solipsist. I, however, am a robot using the gifts God gave me in the way they are intended to be used, driving annoying nuisances like you on to your 5th heart attack .

You fool, you don't know me, my beliefs or the reason I believe them, however, having worn the atheistic and agnostic shoes for years I am all too familiar with both sides of the case. However, how about the theist who poses as an atheist just to prank other theists.... damn rapper.

 

You're the fool whose a solipist.

I deal in reality- you think your opinion is reality.

God is none of the fantasies you sprout. your a self-rigtheous fool- go to the christian forum.

 

How about agnostics who pose as agnostics.?
Or are they just thiests pranking other theists?

Occam

 

I can't figure that one out, but it made me smile. Thanx. I never know if someone is serious about stuff or not, sometimes I feel like God is joking with me, and sometimes I feel like I am being used as a tool to further someones spiritual progress. Tool time....

 

Right.... as usual I bow before your knowledge of my thought processes. You do know what a solipsist is, don't you? You don't think there is an implication of solipsism in anyone denying the fact that the ideas they have come from an external source?

That is your opinion. I prefer to think of reality as something that is beyond simple worldly opinions, although in my opinion based upon faith in God, its all good (I think I got a thumbs up on that one from God at some point in time). It's even good to deal with someone who plays the fool as well as you. Notice I have not judged you to be a fool- I have just stated that you are pretending to be a fool because it is the right thing for you to do at this moment. I do not judge your actions as wrong because I am not pretending to be a fool at this moment in time. I could not possibly know whether or not you are serious about anything you are saying- however, If you are truly serious, you are truly a fool.

God is not a fantasy, God is a truly amazing, all powerful, loving being. YOu are just pretending to be an idiot aren't you? I am curious as to your true feelings about me.

 

Kharkov

Occam thought that all you wanted was for god to suck your dick.
But maybe, you had it backwards, in which case you ARE being used as a tool.

Occam

 

Here is how I see faith...

Faith is the firm belief in something for which there is no concrete proof, right? So once you're willing to go through that door of faith, of accepting doctrine and myth based on a sheer will to believe in it, isn't anything suddenly possible? Anything, really. Based on faith alone, a theory that the universe was sneezed into existence by a giant, omnipotent wallaby can be just as credible as any of the creation myths presented by any religion. So thus, how can you be sure that your particular faith is more valid than others, since anything is possible with faith?

That's one of my reasons for being agnostic-humanist (from being a former atheist, actually). I choose to sit content on the fence because I see no ground to set foot on should I jump off it.