What Do You Believe

i believe that none of us knows shit. but that there are a lot of wierd wonderful things we can enjoy, when we're not too adamantly attatched to deceiving ourselves and too bussy doing so, to notice them.

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Agree

Well said
I have often called myself an agnostic
A reactionary kickback against religion.
But i do believe there is a designer. Something that organises the reality
we find ourselves in.
Human religions are mostly childish garbage.
Simplistic cover stories to establish human power on earth.
IE catholicism.

You and i know that such is of little worth.
Let us begin.
To create a non-religion. A belief in a designer.
[and there is much evidence for such]
Without a religion or it's 'faith'.

'Faith' is for those who 'believe'. Because they want to.
Faith is believing in the story. [about 'god'] And a poor story it is.

Occam

 

Occam
I definitely agree with you!!!

 

prolonged spirit existance, my body may perish but my soul and my spirit will ive in (quote from a dragonforce song actually)

really though i think death cant simply be the end.
we are all born with universal knowledge its just the ammount of that that we tap into in our lifetime that really defines how enlightened we are.
god and jesus are complete bullshit.
and you can only become as enlightened as you are willing ot become.

 

for you to say that Jesus is complete bullshit really sheds light on how "enlightened" you truly are....

 

Religion is valuable in providing spiritual guidance. However, it's arrogant for mankind to assume that God would manifest itself as a human form, or that the universe was created for man with man at its center. We are nothing, and this selfish ideal will ultimately lead to our extinction.

 

Dude

Agree
Jesus was a great man.
To say he was bullshit is like saying Einstein was bullshit.
Two great men.. who thought alike
One turned his wise eye to his fellows.
One turned his wise eye to the reality his fellows lived in.
[Einstien postdating jesus. had this to say
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."]

Neither.. thought of themselves.

Occam
But reality is
"Two things are infinite: the universe[reality] and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the the universe." [Einstein]
I am.

 

its not what we call things that is important. that's the part that fanatics miss, and puts them at odds with whatever else they might otherwise be pretending to believe in.

by that i mean when were not talking about things that are objectively rational. things out side of the realm that science doesn't deny but doesn't see as within its real of concern and purpose to deal with.

the details of speculation are just that. honesty, i feel, is to admit that while also admitting that it is perfectly possible to experience and feel things we don't have to pretend to know anything about in order to do so.

the common trap people fall into, whether in the name of belief or against it, is imagining subconsciously, whether they ever openly put it into words, or even realize they're doing so, that nothing can exist without their knowing, or at least being capable of knowing, about it.

if people could just accept that things they don't know exist, without making a wedge excuse of differences over details of their speculation, then all would be fine between beliefs and between beliefs and reality.

to me that is what an honest belief is. feeling and embracing that spiritness, without denying that what we don't know we don't know.

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Themnax
In your quiet way you have again defined truth.
Well said my brother.

Please ignor the anger i show in other forums.
How to get the attention.
Sometimes, only a stick in the eye will work. 'oowwwww'

Peace, and a modicum of quiet

Occam

 

Nicely stated. The notion that we need to define something to make it real is restrictive, when there are so many elements of our experience that, by their nature, defy definition, yet they are very real.

 

Yellow..

Nice.. Aristotlean logic has a lot to answer for. namely the western world..
Some fool said
'lets go greek' and look what happened.

If everything can be packed into nice pretty boxes.. where does unresolved despair, unrealised love and obsessive paranoia go?
Where does 'dynamic re-evaluation' of subjective experience collated
with other beings' go? [that being science and logic itself]
Understanding.. cannot be 'defined'.
As it includes the definition in itself.
Thus 'definition' is of use as a tool only.

Occam.

 

Well I believe there is a God he just goes by too many names for me to name
I think that God reachs us all in many ways I don't think there's a wrong way to go as long as you have respect for your fellow man or woman than it's cool with me

 

Passionate..

God has no name.
The names are made by religion. Religion cares not for any god.
Religion. Like any beauracracy cares ony for it's continued existance.
It's 'budget.

jesus was supposed to have said.
" lift a rock and u will find me, split a branch and i am there."

Religion says
"Lift a rock and our budget gets a 20% increase. Split that branch and we all get free dental."

Organised religion KNOWs the following to be TRUTH.
That SCIENCE makes religion a mere shadow bureaucracy

"In due time the ignorant, those with pretentions to mind
and a bag of worthless opinions are rendered as fools
before the method they are too stupid or lazy to try and understand.
And are shown by men flying in the air that men can fly. "

 

Yes. Note that historically the most progressive intellectuals, Einstein for example, were labelled heretics, because they didn't conform to the traditional accepted framework of thought at the time.

And yet, think of all the intellects who were never acknowledged in history, because they were unable to convey their knowledge, or if they were, they were unable to capture it in a model that anyone could understand, accept, or perceive any benefit from.

I think we've all but exhausted the tools at our disposal for documenting our known universe, given our limited means with which to monitor it, but we are unlimited in our ability to go beyond the realm of definition, into the ether of higher consciousness and spirituality, provided we can accept the fact there's no way to define it, or impose it upon others (which is often the down side of organised religion).

 

Mellow..

Limited only by your understanding/definition.
I think man will pop a few suprises on your idea.
We are far smarted than beer toting football heads would have you believe.
[x1000]

false.. NOTHING is UNLIMITED.
Only the duration and existance of reality can claim such.

Occam

 

Mellow..

Limited only by your understanding/definition.
I think man will pop a few suprises on your idea.
We are far smarter than beer toting football heads would have you believe.
[x1000]

false..
There is ONE ABSOLUTE
REALITY IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE

ALL within reality. Is limited.

Occam

 

i believe there cant be a god in the terms of what a god is labeled as in modern religion. If you look at the vast universe what makes us as humans any more special than an ant? Why are us as humans going to have this after life but something like an ant or a elephant wont have the same after life whats ment to happen to them? I dont like the whole idea of heaven and hell and believe that its just a way to control the masses. If there is some sort of god out there it would be more of a universal thing. Id love to believe there is something more to existence other than our mind switching off when our body dies and we are left to rot away in the ground but its hard for me to have any sort of belief when there is no proof what so ever for anything more to happen and the fact that most religion is contradicted by science.

 

how about you tell us.

what makes a human different from an ant?

 

Dude .... we can imagine,and love.

Ants cannot.
Why even ask the question?

Occam

 

I agree with you.

I was trying to make the guy who originally said that realize how stupid it was.